Al Kauthar Institute - Is this Salafi?

[Abu Zakariya Yahya]

Interestingly, the Deobandis in South Africa especially love him. This is worrying... Another case of Salafist-taqiyyah being used successfully.

I know him personally, how is he using taqiyyah? or perhaps I misunderstood your using of the word.

[Shamli 1857]

It seems the brother pretends to be a Hanafi but is in fact a Salafi. This is what brother afriki-haqq perhaps meant.

[afriki_haqq]

I know him personally, how is he using taqiyyah? or perhaps I misunderstood your using of the word.

It seems the brother pretends to be a Hanafi but is in fact a Salafi. This is what brother afriki-haqq perhaps meant.

Actually, I have found that he hasn't said anywhere about being Hanafi. Mawlana Shamli if you know of it please post it up. In his bio there is no mention that he has studied at a Darul 'Uloom either. I had the impression that he was a Darul 'Uloom graduate as I have seen him referred to as "Mawlana Sajid". Abu Zakariya perhaps you can clarify as you know him personally.

For now I have edited my post to remove that line until anything can be proven conclusively.

[Shamli 1857]

Seems the infamous Harris Hammam (AKA Ismail Patel) is irked by this thread.

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Re: The Deception of Sunniforum Vis-à-vis Taqlīd

Just look at this fantastic analysis on anti-Kalami Hanafis by a resident Molvi on SF:

I think their usage of the word Hanafi is in the literal meaning (as in monotheist) and not the common ('urfi) meaning, as in an adherent of the Hanafi mathhab. They seem to employ this lexical strategy to confuse the Hanafi laity. I presume not all Salafis recognise this and therefore criticise the Al Kauthar crew because of this...

Al Kauthar Institute - Is this Salafi? - Page 2

i.e. by Hanafi, these people means 'Muwahhid', and not 'on the Madhhab of Abu Hanifah'.

I'm really impressed. Reading these Salafi conspiracy theories is more entertaining than watching MacGyver locked up in a room.
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[daywalk3r]

I take it reading this thread the Al kawthar ‘onslaught’ on S.Africa has just started and it seems as though the (recent?) events they had went down really well – correct?

If so, I remember the other very lengthy SF thread on Al Magrhib and Al Kawthar, werein most of the comments coming across from S.Africa seemed to dismissed the ‘threat’ saying along the lines of its a (passing) fad, not to worry, no need for local masjids, ulama to ‘step-up’ their offering, etc. If so ...wow how this thread puts those comments kinda out of focus now.

Has Al Magrhib started doing events in S.Africa yet?

[afriki_haqq]

I take it reading this thread the Al kawthar ‘onslaught’ on S.Africa has just started and it seems as though the (recent?) events they had went down really well – correct?

If so, I remember the other very lengthy SF thread on Al Magrhib and Al Kawthar, werein most of the comments coming across from S.Africa seemed to dismissed the ‘threat’ saying along the lines of its a (passing) fad, not to worry, no need for local masjids, ulama to ‘step-up’ their offering, etc. If so ...wow how this thread puts those comments kinda out of focus now.

Has Al Magrhib started doing events in S.Africa yet?

Al Maghrib has not started in South Africa.

It is debateable whether so far Al Kauthar have been successful or not. If the community is not educated - like in this thread - and a good, viable alternative is not presented then in a few years the effects will be felt.

[Shamli 1857]

I take it reading this thread the Al kawthar ‘onslaught’ on S.Africa has just started and it seems as though the (recent?) events they had went down really well – correct?

If so, I remember the other very lengthy SF thread on Al Magrhib and Al Kawthar, werein most of the comments coming across from S.Africa seemed to dismissed the ‘threat’ saying along the lines of its a (passing) fad, not to worry, no need for local masjids, ulama to ‘step-up’ their offering, etc. If so ...wow how this thread puts those comments kinda out of focus now.

Has Al Magrhib started doing events in S.Africa yet?

Don't sit tight in the UK, a similar thing is happening in the UK also.

[afriki_haqq]

Don't sit tight in the UK, a similar thing is happening in the UK also.

Mawlana, can we also discuss some alternatives? In South Africa one of the larger Muslim communities organised a program where basic courses where to be given. A senior well-known Mufti was also called to present these. Turn-out was poor, about 10-15 people in a community of more then 10 Masajid. Why is it that AK courses will be sold out...where are our Ulama going wrong?

Also, this program was not held as such as a reply to Al-Kauthar. Far from it, the local 'Ulama have actually not understood the methodology of Al-Kauthar and adopt the approach of... "we don't talk against whatever seems good". I don't find this approach of "silence" helpfull or in anyway better then "confrontation". There has to be some sort of balanced approach but as I said they have failed to fully comprehend the problem.

[daywalk3r]

both of these orgs are very good at what they do, here and in US and probs soon in S.Africa. That thread (below) has many good posts which im sure equally apply here. There arent many alternatives here in UK though Ebrahim College and As Suffa alhumdolillah have stepped-up very well over the past year or so. However UK masjids, etc are light years behind....

61 pages = http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...Kauthar/page61 (happy reading!)

[At Tayyib]

Mawlana, can we also discuss some alternatives? In South Africa one of the larger Muslim communities organised a program where basic courses where to be given. A senior well-known Mufti was also called to present these. Turn-out was poor, about 10-15 people in a community of more then 10 Masajid. Why is it that AK courses will be sold out...where are our Ulama going wrong?

Also, this program was not held as such as a reply to Al-Kauthar. Far from it, the local 'Ulama have actually not understood the methodology of Al-Kauthar and adopt the approach of... "we don't talk against whatever seems good". I don't find this approach of "silence" helpfull or in anyway better then "confrontation". There has to be some sort of balanced approach but as I said they have failed to fully comprehend the problem.

The problem is in our communities, Ilm is something which is gained after rigorously spending at least 6-10 years. One has to take up the madrasah environment and get cut off from society to achieve true knowledge. I believe this mentality is the cause of our current mess.

Deen and knowledge of Deen has to be presented in a practical, simplified and exemplified manner. What is taught in Madrasah's in not for every layman. We need to equip our masses with all the essential and basic knowledge to live a life for the pleasure of Allah. In today's time, OUTREACH approach is the most effective.