Al Kauthar Institute - Is this Salafi?

**Servant.of.Allah** · 15-02-2012, 04:01 PM

Tabligh is far better, as they wont fight for where to tie hands like what Salafis/Ahle hadith do.

Nowdays learning ilm as become a fashion/trend for few muslims, May Allah protect us.
One Shaykh said abt nthe importance of seeking knowledge. To seek knowledge is to seek knowledge - importantly its not to teach others as the Salafis/modern muslims think.

Islam is oral tradition not a written tradition. May Allah guide the free thinkers of Islam in correct path

**Aram** · 15-02-2012, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by Shamli 1857

I think their usage of the word Hanafi is in the literal meaning (as in monotheist) and not the common ('urfi) meaning, as in an adherent of the Hanafi mathhab. They seem to employ this lexical strategy to confuse the Hanafi laity. I presume not all Salafis recognise this and therefore criticise the Al Kauthar crew because of this. Their are also various strands within the Salafis and the criticism might be based on this. I know some Salafis who are particularly vocal in their critcism of the Al Kauthar and Al Maghrib lot.

not sure where your based, but in the UK (london specifically) there is a divide amongst the salafis where some people support things like al kauthar...and the salafis who are against them...they mostly dont support them because of yasir qadhi and their signing the unity pledge and also because of his pro-america views...they also have fiqhi differences with them such as yasir qadhis/ muhammad al shareefs stance on the beard etc

but from what i notice the salafis who are anti yasir qadhi are a little more educated in terms of what a madhab is wallahu alam...they mostly refer to themselves as hanbalis and don't really use the salafi label anymore...although they don't follow the traditional opinions in the hanbali madhab and follow most of the same shaykhs shaykh albani and co

and then we have the salafis who are very anti-madhab...they are also against these institutes because they seem to have 'hanafi' scholars and consider them misguided and following a madhab to be bidah

basically there is a lot of divide amongst salafis in the UK

To me it seemed like yasir qadhi etc changed when al-kauthar popped up...and they keep changing...and it seems like its all about attracting a wider audience...wallahu alam but the yasir qadhi back when al-kauthar was not around was veryy different and had he been the same al-kauthar would not be half as popular as it is today especially in the US...makes you ask yourself could this all just be business tactics

**Abu_Uzair** · 15-02-2012, 04:15 PM

this issue was discussed ago,i attended 1 their event,when we oresented hanafi point of view,they replied its only zaif hadis,beware of them,this is totally business,they take 1500 rs for 2 days caurse.
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...alkauthar.org&

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...ly-Soon./page2

**amr123** · 15-02-2012, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by Aram

makes you ask yourself could this all just be business tactics

There a factor that is more endear to man than wealth. Its called Jah ie winning the hearts of others. It is coveted by everyone, sometimes people have more longing for Jah than for wealth. I just read an extract on Jah by Imam Ghazzali.

"The answer to the question posed earlier is that, in truth and reality, love of Jah produces an intoxication which can hardly be eradicated. There are two reasons for this. One of these is manifest and can be conceived by everyone. But the other one being related to a peculiar trait of the human-self, is so subtle and latent that i would be difficult even for the most intelligent to grasp it fully. " -Imam Ghazzali

P.s. I m not accusing anyone in particular, just talking in General.

**pluto** · 15-02-2012, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by Servant.of.Allah

Tabligh is far better, as they wont fight for where to tie hands like what Salafis/Ahle hadith do.

Nowdays learning ilm as become a fashion/trend for few muslims, May Allah protect us.
One Shaykh said abt nthe importance of seeking knowledge. To seek knowledge is to seek knowledge - importantly its not to teach others as the Salafis/modern muslims think.

Islam is oral tradition not a written tradition. May Allah guide the free thinkers of Islam in correct path

Its a blessing, yes.

**amr123** · 15-02-2012, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by pluto

Stop.

Next time, use a Attachment 6919 and record their lectures.

You mean use

ear plugs

**pluto** · 15-02-2012, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by amr123

You mean use ear plugs

In one way, yes.

**Shamli 1857** · 15-02-2012, 05:48 PM

Brother Afriki Haqq,

Who is Mirza Yawar Baig and what role does he play into all of this?

**afriki_haqq** · 15-02-2012, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by Shamli 1857

Brother Afriki Haqq,

Who is Mirza Yawar Baig and what role does he play into all of this?

Regarding Mirza Yawar Baig, I don't know much but I do know he is heavily involved with AK. He is from Hyderabad in India (Google for his "Yawar Associates"). At the last AK retreat in South Africa Mirza Yawar spent the entire weekend with the group, etc. He is more of a motivational speaker and I haven't seen him present an Aqeedah or Fiqh course. In an email Mirza Yawar quite vehemently denied being a Salafi and went to the extent of saying prove for this is his association with some of the senior South African (Hanafi/Deobandi) 'Ulama. But his association with Salafis is also a known fact.

I don't think his a scholar like Bilal Ismail. If he sticks to social topics/motivational etc then that should be fine.

PS: Channel Islam playns a short clip of his daily in the mornings. Take a listen to that and it might give some background into Mirza Yawar.

On this same topic I would like to mention that one of the other Shaykhs is Zimbabwean born Madinah graduate - Shaykh Sajid Omar. Radio Islam has given him considerable airtime in that he has been given a whole slot to do a study of Imaam Nawawis Riyadh us-Saaliheen. I don't know if this program is still on-going but when I contacted the Radio Islam 'alims I had no response from them.

I await others to correct and enlighten me on the above two.

**Shamli 1857** · 15-02-2012, 07:14 PM

I think association with Deobandi Ulama is oft-cited by these individuals to gain legitimacy among Deobandis. I think that's a wake-up call for our Ulama to exercise greater care. The laity needs to also not fall for cheap tactics such as that.

Check this link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/india-unity/message/5478

Baig seems to be giving credence to a view of interchanging between mathhabs. Such sentiments were also echoed in a report that he wrote in 2006 at the behest of the Jamiat-e-Ulama of South Africa. His views are clearly not in tranquility with those of the Ulama of Deoband.