The Meaning of Abyad (White) To the Arabs

**Idil_** · 01-08-2010, 09:51 PM

Originally Posted by Salamat

TO OP:

Some find it uncomfortable that the Prophet (صلى الله عليه و اله وسلم ) was "asmar", as if he wasn't an Arab...others will accuse you of "asabiyya" if you point out how dark skinned many hashimis were, this is present even more amongst darker skinned Muslims who from my experience have a mythical image of the Prophet seeing him as the Christians see Jesus son of Mary, ie as a white skinned man.

What a load of nonsense, Gulf Arabs are ASMAR.

**Tee** · 01-08-2010, 09:52 PM

Brother Abu Hajira,

Can you tell everyone here whether or not there are sound hadiths that say that the Prophet (SAWS) was asmar?

**MujahidAbdullah** · 01-08-2010, 10:08 PM

The color of peoples skin is sometimes subjective - right now it is summer and Im pretty brown on my arms and face, but I am a blonde hair blue eyed white guy - a general description of me would be white, but I am actually a beige or brownish red color - both descriptions would be accurate - so if one hadeeth use the term Abyad and another asmar - they may both be correct and the narrators of the hadeeth may have both seen the same color, but described it differently.

secondly - WHO CARES - if Rasoolulah (SAW) was purple he would stil be Rahmatil ul Alimeen, Nur ul Huda

**Salman_Hanafi** · 01-08-2010, 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by Tee

Brother Abu Hajira,

Can you tell everyone here whether or not there are sound hadiths that say that the Prophet (SAWS) was asmar?

Yes i would like to know that too...lets settle this thread quickly now...and I was referring to your flurry of questions in one post directed towards the sister who mentioned that you have created similar threads before, when I said that you were being a little aggressive for this kind of discussion..anyways we are way ahead of that now so let it go...

**xs11ax** · 01-08-2010, 10:20 PM

Originally Posted by MujahidAbdullah

secondly - WHO CARES - if Rasoolulah (SAW) was purple he would stil be Rahmatil ul Alimeen, Nur ul Huda

innit!

**Tee** · 01-08-2010, 10:21 PM

Originally Posted by MujahidAbdullah

The color of peoples skin is sometimes subjective - right now it is summer and Im pretty brown on my arms and face, but I am a blonde hair blue eyed white guy - a general description of me would be white, but I am actually a beige or brownish red color - both descriptions would be accurate - so if one hadeeth use the term Abyad and another asmar - they may both be correct and the narrators of the hadeeth may have both seen the same color, but described it differently.

secondly - WHO CARES - if Rasoolulah (SAW) was purple he would stil be Rahmatil ul Alimeen, Nur ul Huda

What the Arabs meant by asmar is clear and people of European origin aren't sumar (plural of asmar) . People of European, Persian, Roman, etc origin were called Red. And when Arabs used the term "white" , they didn't mean what you think. They used red for the color that you call white. It's confusing, but it's the reality and people need to understand this.

**Tee** · 01-08-2010, 10:26 PM

I don't like that logo you have under your name. It's like La ilaha illa Allah. Mohamed rasoul Allah is crossed out. You need to fix that.

**xs11ax** · 01-08-2010, 10:31 PM

Originally Posted by Tee

I don't like that logo you have under your name. It's like La ilaha illa Allah. Mohamed rasoul Allah is crossed out. You need to fix that.

thanks, but no thanks.

**Sulaiman84** · 01-08-2010, 10:45 PM

Tee,

What's your objective of all this?

**Tee** · 01-08-2010, 10:50 PM

Originally Posted by Sulaiman84

Tee,

What's your objective of all this?

My objective is to know why the sheikh didn't mention these hadith in response to the brother's question. My objective is also to know why these hadith that say that the Prophet (saws) was asmar aren't usually mentioned and as a result not many people know that they exist.