The Meaning of Abyad (White) To the Arabs

[blackflagsarfaraz]

Like I said, I would love to speak to him.

Why dont you then, maybe he will give a you a tour in the great big UFO in the sky thats currently hovering over planet earth?

Louis Farrakhan, commenting on his teacher's description said the following:

"The Honorable Elijah Muhammad told us of a giant Mother Plane that is made like the universe, spheres within spheres. White people call them unidentified flying objects (UFOs). Ezekiel, in the Old Testament, saw a wheel that looked like a cloud by day but a pillar of fire by night. The Honorable Elijah Muhammad said that that wheel was built on the island of Nippon, which is now called Japan, by some of the Original scientists. It took $15 billion in gold at that time to build it. It is made of the toughest steel. America does not yet know the composition of the steel used to make an instrument like it. It is a circular plane, and the Bible says that it never makes turns. Because of its circular nature it can stop and travel in all directions at speeds of thousands of miles per hour. He said there are 1,500 small wheels in this Mother Wheel, which is a half mile by a half mile [800 m by 800 m]. This Mother Wheel is like a small human-built planet. Each one of these small planes carry three bombs.
"The Honorable Elijah Muhammad said these planes were used to set up mountains on the earth. The Qur'an says it like this: We have raised mountains on the earth lest it convulse with you. How do you raise a mountain, and what is the purpose of a mountain? Have you ever tried to balance a tire? You use weights to keep the tire balanced. That's how the earth is balanced, with mountain ranges. The Honorable Elijah Muhammad said that we have a type of bomb that, when it strikes the earth a drill on it is timed to go into the earth and explode at the height that you wish the mountain to be. If you wish to take the mountain up a mile [1.6 km], you time the drill to go a mile in and then explode. The bombs these planes have are timed to go one mile down and bring up a mountain one mile high, but it will destroy everything within a 50-square-mile [130 km²] radius. The white man writes in his above top secret memos of the UFOs. He sees them around his military installations like they are spying.

"That Mother Wheel is a dreadful-looking thing. White folks are making movies now to make these planes look like fiction, but it is based on something real. The Honorable Elijah Muhammad said that Mother Plane is so powerful that with sound reverberating in the atmosphere, just with a sound, she can crumble buildings."

—Minister Louis Farrakhan, The Divine Destruction of America: Can She Avert It?

[Tee]

Why dont you then, maybe he will give a you a tour in the great big UFO in the sky thats currently hovering over planet earth?

Louis Farrakhan, commenting on his teacher's description said the following:

"The Honorable Elijah Muhammad told us of a giant Mother Plane that is made like the universe, spheres within spheres. White people call them unidentified flying objects (UFOs). Ezekiel, in the Old Testament, saw a wheel that looked like a cloud by day but a pillar of fire by night. The Honorable Elijah Muhammad said that that wheel was built on the island of Nippon, which is now called Japan, by some of the Original scientists. It took $15 billion in gold at that time to build it. It is made of the toughest steel. America does not yet know the composition of the steel used to make an instrument like it. It is a circular plane, and the Bible says that it never makes turns. Because of its circular nature it can stop and travel in all directions at speeds of thousands of miles per hour. He said there are 1,500 small wheels in this Mother Wheel, which is a half mile by a half mile [800 m by 800 m]. This Mother Wheel is like a small human-built planet. Each one of these small planes carry three bombs.
"The Honorable Elijah Muhammad said these planes were used to set up mountains on the earth. The Qur'an says it like this: We have raised mountains on the earth lest it convulse with you. How do you raise a mountain, and what is the purpose of a mountain? Have you ever tried to balance a tire? You use weights to keep the tire balanced. That's how the earth is balanced, with mountain ranges. The Honorable Elijah Muhammad said that we have a type of bomb that, when it strikes the earth a drill on it is timed to go into the earth and explode at the height that you wish the mountain to be. If you wish to take the mountain up a mile [1.6 km], you time the drill to go a mile in and then explode. The bombs these planes have are timed to go one mile down and bring up a mountain one mile high, but it will destroy everything within a 50-square-mile [130 km²] radius. The white man writes in his above top secret memos of the UFOs. He sees them around his military installations like they are spying.

"That Mother Wheel is a dreadful-looking thing. White folks are making movies now to make these planes look like fiction, but it is based on something real. The Honorable Elijah Muhammad said that Mother Plane is so powerful that with sound reverberating in the atmosphere, just with a sound, she can crumble buildings."

—Minister Louis Farrakhan, The Divine Destruction of America: Can She Avert It?

And what does this have to do with the meaning of the words used to describe the Prophet (SAWS)???

[Ansari]

And what does this have to do with the meaning of the words used to describe the Prophet (SAWS)???

Because you refer to those idiots of NOI who are CLEARLY UNBELIEVERS.

Do you deem Elijah Muhammad a KAAFIR, yes or no?

[blackflagsarfaraz]

And what does this have to do with the meaning of the words used to describe the Prophet (SAWS)???

Did i say it had anything to do with it? You said you would love to speak to him. I said ask him about the UFO's when you do meet him

[Noor-Uddeen]

...You seem to be searching for any way to avoid this truth. Why do you feel I need to do research on the NOI???... You are looking for ways to shoot me in the foot because you don't like the truth that I'm trying to make known. It's clear.

How can this be? If you read my first post in this thread back on page 13 of this thread I was actually defending you! I am quite truthfully interested in this topic, and would love to see how either side discusses this issue regarding the Prophet colour because I would love to know what his appearance was like.

However you're not doing well in presenting your issues since your very much unaware of the cultural sensitivity here, not because people would find it uneasy to consider the Prophet as a black man or any other colour, but because typically such talks are associated with people like the NOI and other black supremacists.

You're now being highly ambiguous and refusing to distance yourself from them, what message do you think this sends to the lay people on this board? No matter where truth comes from do you think people will find it easier or harder to believe a person who doesn't in their eyes condemn such clear heresy?

[Tee]

Because you refer to those idiots of NOI who are CLEARLY UNBELIEVERS.

Do you deem Elijah Muhammad a KAAFIR, yes or no?

Who did I refer to??? Show me - if you are a lover of truth and a speaker of the truth. If you aren't here to deceive people, show us all where I referred to someone from the NOI.

I have never met Elijah Mohamed or spoken to him, so it's not for me to deem him a kaafir. For me to deem him a kaafir having never seen him or spoken to him would be foolish of me. If you feel confident and sure enough of what's in his heart, deem him whatever you wish to deem him and carry the responsibility of what you say. But don't ask me to.

[muhammadnur]

And what does this have to do with the meaning of the words used to describe the Prophet (SAWS)???

seriously what are you waiting on? your topic has been discussed, there's nothing left to say.
you presented your case, it was discussed, for the most part disagreed with, and people moved on.
You unwisely used a clip that included Wesley Muhammad which derailed your own post, but really it was dead anyway.
You made your point, as far as your research goes, you feel abyad is close to asmar in skin color. Check we got it. Now what do you want?

[Sulaiman84]

Tee a reqeust,

Throw in the towel, man. This ain't goin nowhere. You already done slipped up. Save yourself from further embarrassment.

[Tee]

How can this be? If you read my first post in this thread back on page 13 of this thread I was actually defending you! I am quite truthfully interested in this topic, and would love to see how either side discusses this issue regarding the Prophet colour because I would love to know what his appearance was like.

However you're not doing well in presenting your issues since your very much unaware of the cultural sensitivity here, not because people would find it uneasy to consider the Prophet as a black man or any other colour, but because typically such talks are associated with people like the NOI and other black supremacists.

You're now being highly ambiguous and refusing to distance yourself from them, what message do you think this sends to the lay people on this board? No matter where truth comes from do you think people will find it easier or harder to believe a person who doesn't in their eyes condemn such clear heresy?

How can this be? If you read my first post in this thread back on page 13 of this thread I was actually defending you! I am quite truthfully interested in this topic, and would love to see how either side discusses this issue regarding the Prophet colour because I would love to know what his appearance was like.

So let's discuss this and not turn the thread into backbiting by talking about the NOI. I believe it's not fair because there is no one here from the NOI to say directly what they truly believe today so we shouldn't be talking about them here.

However you're not doing well in presenting your issues since your very much unaware of the cultural sensitivity here, not because people would find it uneasy to consider the Prophet as a black man or any other colour, but because typically such talks are associated with people like the NOI and other black supremacists.

What I'm saying here has nothing whatsoever to do with the NOI and I didn't say anything that is untrue.

You're now being highly ambiguous and refusing to distance yourself from them, what message do you think this sends to the lay people on this board? No matter where truth comes from do you think people will find it easier or harder to believe a person who doesn't in their eyes condemn such clear heresy?

The laypeople on this board need to realize that I am not here to discuss the NOI nor do I know enough about the NOI to discuss them. All I know is that I personally am not one to call a person who says that he/she is a Muslim a kaafir. And the reason is because Allah says:

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِذَا ضَرَبْتُمْ فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ فَتَبَيَّنُوا وَلا تَقُولُوا لِمَنْ أَلْقَى إِلَيْكُمْ السَّلامَ لَسْتَ مُؤْمِناً تَبْتَغُونَ
عَرَضَ الْحَيَاةِ الدُّنْيَا فَعِنْدَ اللَّهِ مَغَانِمُ كَثِيرَةٌ كَذَلِكَ كُنتُمْ مِنْ قَبْلُ فَمَنَّ اللَّهُ عَلَيْكُمْ فَتَبَيَّنُوا إِنَّ اللَّهَ كَانَ
بِمَا تَعْمَلُونَ خَبِيراً

O you who have believed, when you go forth [to fight] in the cause of Allah , investigate; and do not say to one who gives you [a greeting of] peace "You are not a believer," aspiring for the goods of worldly life; for with Allah are many acquisitions. You [yourselves] were like that before; then Allah conferred His favor upon you, so investigate. Indeed Allah is ever, with what you do, Acquainted.


And because the Prophet (SAWS) said:


قال النبي (ص) : ”أيما امرئ قال لأخيه يا كافر فقد باء بها أحدهما إن كان كما قال وإلا رجعت عليه“ رواه مسلم

The Prophet (SAWS) said: "If anyone calls his brother (in Islam) a kaafir, what he said will fall on one of the two. Either what he said is true or what he said falls on him." (Related by Muslim)

و قال (ص) : ”ومن دعا رجلاً بالكفر أو قال عدو الله وليس كذلك إلا حار عليه“ رواه مسلم

And he (SAWS) said: "If someone calls a person a kaafir or calls him an enemy of Allah and what he said is not true, what the person accused the other person of being will apply to him (the one who falsely accused the person of being a kaafir or enemy of Allah)". (Related by Muslim)

و قال : ”لا يرمي رجلٌ رجلاً بالفسوق ولا يرميه بالكفر إلا ارتدت عليه إن لم يكن صاحبه كذلك“ رواه البخاري

And he (SAWS) said: "Anytime a person accuses another person of being a faasiq or a kaafir, what he accused the person of being will apply to him instead if his accusation is false." (Related by Bukhari)

[Tee]

seriously what are you waiting on? your topic has been discussed, there's nothing left to say.
you presented your case, it was discussed, for the most part disagreed with, and people moved on.
You unwisely used a clip that included Wesley Muhammad which derailed your own post, but really it was dead anyway.
You made your point, as far as your research goes, you feel abyad is close to asmar in skin color. Check we got it. Now what do you want?

Do you want something? Apparently you do because you are here. What do you want?