Some photos of talisman, taweez/wafaq, etc...

[Aseatic]

Is there danger in disposing carelessly?

eg. you find a suspicious object and throw into a fire, just like that.

[silat]

Is there danger in disposing carelessly?

eg. you find a suspicious object and throw into a fire, just like that.

Wa'alaykumus salaam bro Aseatic

I thought I could give a simple reply to your above question such as, "Yes, there is danger..." or "No, there is no danger..."
But when I asked myself, what proof or reference (such as nas, etc) do I have to support my statement,... Im not able to provide one.

Hence, I am not able to give a definite answer to your question. Maybe a more knowledgeable person can provide a better answer.

But what I can say is that, our normal practise of disposing objects related (or suspected to be related) to sehr/jinn is we would first recite certain ruqyahs for sihr/jinn (to neutralise the sehr insya ALLAH). After that disposing maybe by burying them in the ground some place where may not trouble/burden other people ... or by burning them... or by any other means.

In the photo above, I burned those items was because there are some wafaq/taweez that contain the word ALLAH and/or some ayaat (or part of ayaat) of the Quran. Hence the way that I know of disposing is via burning.

Normally if we come across any suspicious object, we would recite doa for protection before we touch or carry the item. After that "neutralise" and dispose.

Doa for protection such as below:
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Note: the above doa can be found in hadith Tirmidzi
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wallaahu a'lam

[umar_italy]

respected brother (Maulana?) Silat.

If I may ask, what is your (and that of the other scholars at the madrasah you study/teach in) stance with regards to ta'wizat?
The ones you are talking about are "evil" ta'wizat (using jinns etc,) but you still deem it permissible to write/use ta'wizat which are lawful, or do you think that every ta'wiz is haram?

[silat]

wa'alaykum salam bro umar_italy (p.s, just call me bro).

Ulama differ opinions on this matter.
But you want to know what our stance is... My teacher (and so are his students) are of the opinion that tawiz is PROHIBITED, even though the ta'wiz uses only writings of ayaat ul-Qur'an (and has no association with jinns)

wallaahu a'lam

[amr123]

But you want to know what our stance is... We are of the opinion that tawiz is PROHIBITED, even though the ta'wiz uses only writings of ayaat ul-Qur'an (and has no association with jinns)

wallaahu a'lam

bro. So your stance is even ta'wiz with only Quran is also prohibited?

Bro, the dua mentioned above, can a layperson also use it to neutralize materials of sihr? Or is it best to call an expert?

[silat]

bro. So your stance is even ta'wiz with only Quran is also prohibited?

Bro, the dua mentioned above, can a layperson also use it to neutralize materials of sihr? Or is it best to call an expert?

wa'alaykumus salaam bro.

-- Yes. That is the opinion that we hold.
In times of the Prophet s.a.w., the sahabah r.a.hum had very strong imaan and pious mahool. But in our time today, muslims do not have the same imaan and pious mahool/environment/atmosphere. Hence, we worry that reliance on ta'wiz/talisman may affect the yaqeen of general people. People will rely and have tawakkul on these amulets rather than have total reliance to ALLAH s.w.t.

-- we usually use different ruqyah in our effort to neutralize sihr materials.
The do'a above is for our protection should we need to HANDLE the sihr material.
Best would be to leave to people with proper knowledge/training to do it. But with correct yaqeen, proper a'maal and correct knowledge, any muslims can do insya ALLAH.

Wallaahu a'lam

[umar_italy]

wa'alaykum salam bro umar_italy (p.s, just call me bro).

Ulama differ opinions on this matter.
But you want to know what our stance is... My teacher (and so are his students) are of the opinion that tawiz is PROHIBITED, even though the ta'wiz uses only writings of ayaat ul-Qur'an (and has no association with jinns)

wallaahu a'lam

wa'alaykumus salaam bro.

-- Yes. That is the opinion that we hold.
In times of the Prophet s.a.w., the sahabah r.a.hum had very strong imaan and pious mahool. But in our time today, muslims do not have the same imaan and pious mahool/environment/atmosphere. Hence, we worry that reliance on ta'wiz/talisman may affect the yaqeen of general people. People will rely and have tawakkul on these amulets rather than have total reliance to ALLAH s.w.t.

for your explaination.
So, if I understand correctly, you don't deem them impermissible in themselves, but due to today's circumstances/environment, right?

I'm asking because so far I'd got the impression that only Salafis deem ta'wizat as impermissible "no matter what", so I'm interested in your take as Shawafi'.

[silat]

for your explaination.
So, if I understand correctly, you don't deem them impermissible in themselves, but due to today's circumstances/environment, right?

I'm asking because so far I'd got the impression that only Salafis deem ta'wizat as impermissible "no matter what", so I'm interested in your take as Shawafi'.

wa'alaykum assalaam bro umar_italy.

You seem to be very interested on the hukum of ta'wizat. May ALLAH showers HIS blessing upon you and always guide you to the right path.

If you really want to know the hukum, it is best that you consult with people of authority such as muftis who have vast dan deep knowledge on ahkaam of Islam.

On salafis and impermissible ta'wizat, I do not know that ONLY salafis are of the opinion that ta'wizat are impermissible "no matter what". Does anyone know if there is any non salafis 'aalem who hold the same opinion ?

For the sake of discussion, IMHO suffice to say that on this matter (taweez), ulama have different opinions.
There are ahadith that support one opinion, and in different ahadith support the view of the other group.
Among the sahabah r.a.hum and ulama rah., there are of the opinion that it is permissible and another view that it is not permissible (hence IMHO, I do not think that it is exclusively salafis opinion)

Those who of the opinion that it is impermissible (ie forbidden), this view is supported by Abdullah ibn Mas'ud r.a., Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal rah and others.
And this group states that one of method of fiqh is Sadd al-Zaraai' (preventing from harmful), especially on matters that are harming the aqeedah. This method permits the prohibition, prevention of something being acted upon that can lead to shirk.

Those who of the opinion that it is permissible, is supported by Abdullah bin Amru bin al-As r.a., Ja'far al-Baqir and Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal rah. Their view that it is permissible because in time of Rasulullah s.a.w. there were some sahabah r.a.hum who gave ta'wizat to their children who have not mastered the Qur'an, to wear the ta'wiz.

wallaahu a'lam.

[abdulwahhab]

Here it says they are ALWAYS prohibited:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlqcRW1SS3I

@Umar-Italy: yes,I am iubelo from your forum.You are a better detective than Colombo and Derrick together! ;-)

Yasir Qadhi is a Salafi. His opinions are irrelevant when talking about the opinions of the madhahib.

[umar_italy]

Here it says they are ALWAYS prohibited:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlqcRW1SS3I

You shall already know I disagree with their stances.

@Umar-Italy: yes,I am iubelo from your forum.You are a better detective than Colombo and Derrick together! ;-)

Yeah I was quite sure; nice to see you around again, hope you are doing well!

wa'alaykum assalaam bro umar_italy.

You seem to be very interested on the hukum of ta'wizat. May ALLAH showers HIS blessing upon you and always guide you to the right path.

If you really want to know the hukum, it is best that you consult with people of authority such as muftis who have vast dan deep knowledge on ahkaam of Islam.

Amin, .
My mind is quite clear on the issue and I've already discussed it (Allah knows best, obviously); as I said, I was just curious to know your take as "traditional Shawafi'" on the issue, as so far had only been exposed to Salafi and Hanafi understanding.