Difference between Maulana Ilyas Ghuman and Central Mosque.

[Usman]

Live in Karachi, I know how much he has penetration in Madaris, His Sheikh, Moulana Hakeem Akhtar Sahab also not happy with him and have taken away his Khilafat from him.

And I'm not comparing myself to "Mutakalim Islam", I'm only letting you see your own "Mutakalim Islam" in his own words. So don't ask me to read a paragraph.

And I'm not telling you story of "A PARAGHRAPH", I'm telling you the story of a person who can't read A VERY FAMOUS SINGLE WORD

So don't distory the image of our Ulama by declaring him an Alim who don't know A SINGLE WORD not A PARAGRAPH

Another blatant Lie. Dear , Hazrat wala damat barakatuhum Has never taken Khilafat away from him. He's alHamdulillah very Happy with the work of Maulana and what Maulana is doing is the very reason he was given khilafah, don't make things out of your bum.

There's this thing called Q-Tips. They're very beneficial for clearing the ear-wax , try them. This is actually a very funny thread , "Nawawi vs Novi",lol. In this manner,can you tell me what you think of Mufti Rasheed Ahmed Ludhyanvi Rahimahullah? Listen to his lectures and "pronunciation" of SallAllahu alaihi wasallam, post it here and make some thread. Let's see what you've got . ROTFL, what a stupid person you are.

[Usman]

Oh yes yes, he never ever will come to face anybody

Maulana's status is much higher than the so-called "opponents" you claim. Better understand the meaning of "Nazim-e-Aala". Come on buddy, tell the truth, you're a ghair muqallid aren't you? Why the charade? Or has Maulana done anything to you or your family ?

Quite funny you're not able to bring forward the quote from a SINGLE prominent aalim saying Maulana Ilyas is not an aalim, yet what we call "Dhakosla" of yours is as lame as your game

[junfrared]

Maulana's status is much higher than the so-called "opponents" you claim.

He claims, not me, he said he is working against GMs, but I can't face them

Better understand the meaning of "Nazim-e-Aala". Come on buddy, tell the truth, you're a ghair muqallid aren't you? Why the charade?

No my hands are itching upon Imam NOVI BTW I'm not GM, I'm Hanafi, who do Ameen bis sir, don't do Rafa yadaen, and don't recite Fatiha behind the Imam etc..

If he exposes GMs like this then tu Allah hi Hafiz hai

Or has Maulana done anything to you or your family ?

If he can't face his opponents, then how can he face his proponents (Ghar kay bhaydi)

Quite funny you're not able to bring forward the quote from a SINGLE prominent aalim saying Maulana Ilyas is not an aalim, yet what we call "Dhakosla" of yours is as lame as your game

No there is no need, he is exhibiting his literacy level by himself. So we no need anybody else.

tom keyboard jitna chahay ragar lo Nawawi ko NOVI nahi bana sako gay


My Dear Brother, I'm not enemy, but we have to realize why we are losing the war, it is evident by above example, we need Ulama, who have spent their whole life in Uloom e Deenyah, who don't have finanical worries, so they fully concentrate on Uloom. كاد الفقر ان يكون كفرا. Poverty can lead to Kufr.

This is only for your realization.

There is a solution:

A fleet of Strong Selfless, Sincere, industrious.... Ullamas.

Intermediary goals are:

To Create Strong Ullamas we need strong educational infrastructure, and overhauling of ad-hoc Deoband Madrasah system
A strong financial solution for these ullamas so that they have on cause to sell the Islam to the People of Desires. Currently in Indo-Pak-Bangladesh Ullamas earn 28 GBP or 45 USD or 4000 PKR /Month! This is general condition here.

كاد الفقر ان يكون كفرا. Poverty can lead to Kufr.

So they have two choice, weather they do business/worldly job to earn money (by forgetting what they learned in Madarash) or their good majority sell the Islam generally to "People of Desires" so that they give them some 000 to their 45 USD on other hand the Principle of Madrasah earn 45000..USD/Month, So it creates multi-dimensional fitnah in society. And it creates the damage which wolves can't create in the sheep flock.

So to tackle this problem we need:

Strong Great association of intellectuals from all over the world
Some Great selfless, sincere Ullama-e-Babbanis who devotes their life to accomplish goals
Lots of Public support

[Usman]

He claims, not me, he said he is working against GMs, but I can't face them








If he can't face his opponents, then how can he face his proponents (Ghar kay bhaydi)



No there is no need, he is exhibiting his literacy level by himself. So we no need anybody else.

tom keyboard jitna chahay ragar lo Nawawi ko NOVI nahi bana sako gay


My Dear Brother, I'm not enemy, but we have to realize why we are losing the war, it is evident by above example, we need Ulama, who have spent their whole life in Uloom e Deenyah, who don't have finanical worries, so they fully concentrate on Uloom. كاد الفقر ان يكون كفرا. Poverty can lead to Kufr.

This is only for your realization.

There is a solution:

A fleet of Strong Selfless, Sincere, industrious.... Ullamas.

Intermediary goals are:

To Create Strong Ullamas we need strong educational infrastructure, and overhauling of ad-hoc Deoband Madrasah system
A strong financial solution for these ullamas so that they have on cause to sell the Islam to the People of Desires. Currently in Indo-Pak-Bangladesh Ullamas earn 28 GBP or 45 USD or 4000 PKR /Month! This is general condition here.

كاد الفقر ان يكون كفرا. Poverty can lead to Kufr.

So they have two choice, weather they do business/worldly job to earn money (by forgetting what they learned in Madarash) or their good majority sell the Islam generally to "People of Desires" so that they give them some 000 to their 45 USD on other hand the Principle of Madrasah earn 45000..USD/Month, So it creates multi-dimensional fitnah in society. And it creates the damage which wolves can't create in the sheep flock.

So to tackle this problem we need:

Strong Great association of intellectuals from all over the world
Some Great selfless, sincere Ullama-e-Babbanis who devotes their life to accomplish goals
Lots of Public support

I'm wondering why is no Moderator taking notice of this jibberish.

Again, I'm asking ,

1) show me the quote from a Single reputable Aalim that Maulana is not an Aalim. In the back of his books, his entire religious learning experience is written.

2) That Hazrat Wala Damat Barkaatuhum has taken away the Khilafah.

If you don't provide an evidence, I'll ask the Moderators to block this thread as it's a waste of time.

[junfrared]

I'm wondering why is no Moderator taking notice of this jibberish.

Again, I'm asking ,

1) show me the quote from a Single reputable Aalim that Maulana is not an Aalim. In the back of his books, his entire religious learning experience is written.

2) That Hazrat Wala Damat Barkaatuhum has taken away the Khilafah.

If you don't provide an evidence, I'll ask the Moderators to block this thread as it's a waste of time.

It is enough man, stop wasting my time. I raised only ONE issue that is "Imam NOVI", that’s it. You can't do anything against this.

Having madarah degree isn't enough if you can't read a SINGLE WORD correctly. I said

He don't know how to read the name of an Imam, (however a student of Dars-e-Nizami of grade 5 or 6 knows how to read it !!!!!!!)

Only a layman can read it as NOVI, even a layman who habitually spend his time among the scholars knows this thing.

The issue of his khilafat isn't my primary concern, have listen this b/c I live near Khanaqah Ashrafyyah Gulshan Iqbal Karachi. Ask anybody who belong to Hakeem Sahab's Khanaqah.


GIVE ME the SINGLE EVIDENCE THAT SHOW THE NAWAWI CAN BE NOVI. Otherwise accept this fact, so simple.

Another issue I raised that he can't handle his opponents face to face while is claiming he is a Munazir Islam and Mutaklim Islam, how can he be? If he hardly has one or two face to face Munaziah in his entire career of Polemics, over the internet!!

OP asked us why is there a difference of opinion in central Mosque and Ghumman Sahab, in respond I demonstrated him how much Ghamman sahab know about scholarly issues, despite his Madarash degree.

So nobody has appropriate right to close this thread, when I have established what I raised and you have no way to annul that.

[junfrared]

Mohtashims I asked you a question.

However, most Deobandi websites state that the belief "Allah is everywhere" is wrong.

Can you give me the links of those Deobandi websites which says Allah Ta’ala isn’t everywhere.

[Usman]

It is enough man, stop wasting my time. I raised only ONE issue that is "Imam NOVI", that’s it. You can't do anything against this.

Having madarah degree isn't enough if you can't read a SINGLE WORD correctly. I said



The issue of his khilafat isn't my primary concern, have listen this b/c I live near Khanaqah Ashrafyyah Gulshan Iqbal Karachi. Ask anybody who belong to Hakeem Sahab's Khanaqah.


GIVE ME the SINGLE EVIDENCE THAT SHOW THE NAWAWI CAN BE NOVI. Otherwise accept this fact, so simple.

Another issue I raised that he can't handle his opponents face to face while is claiming he is a Munazir Islam and Mutaklim Islam, how can he be? If he hardly has one or two face to face Munaziah in his entire career of Polemics, over the internet!!

OP asked us why is there a difference of opinion in central Mosque and Ghumman Sahab, in respond I demonstrated him how much Ghamman sahab know about scholarly issues, despite his Madarash degree.

So nobody has appropriate right to close this thread, when I have established what I raised and you have no way to annul that.

Again, no evidence at all, I ask again :

1) Show me from a SINGLE senior aalim that they said Maulana Ilyas is not an aalim
2) Show me an evidence that Maulana's Khilafat was revoked. You're talking about my sheikh revoking Maulana's Khilafat, don't tell me about khanqah.

come'on be a man , not a taqayya baaz.... dare ya

[maneatinglizard]

Br. junfrared is not a ghair muqallid, he is a follower of Harris Hammam.

Regardless, I think this thread should be closed for now, as it has devolved into a mudslinging match and an attack on scholars.

[junfrared]

You have NO answer for primary issues therefore you asking irrelevant question.

1) Show me from a SINGLE senior aalim that they said Maulana Ilyas is not an aalim

On entire thread I never say he don't have a madarasah degree. I'm only saying he has poor scholarly background, b/c he was engage in Jihad, eventually have forgotten what he have learned, it obvious proof is the mistake where NAWAWI becoming NOVI. I have other proofs but I don't have time to show them.

2) Show me an evidence that Maulana's Khilafat was revoked. You're talking about my sheikh revoking Maulana's Khilafat, don't tell me about khanqah.

Statement of Auto Invalidation of his Khilafate (it is presented by a Deobandi Azam on Haqqforum - an offical forum of Ulama e Deoband ):

Most Important Letter.jpg




Brother Man eating Lizard, I'm here since 2 years, and I read the Sheikh Haris Hammam 6 month ago, therefore I'm not the follower of Sheikh, however like him very much. I only follow the Kibar Ullama Deoband and Ulama e haramain sharifain. and I'm Hanafi in fiqh and HANAFI in creed, not Maturidi, not Ashari, not GM.

[Usman]

You have NO answer for primary issues therefore you asking irrelevant question.




On entire thread I never say he don't have a madarasah degree. I'm only saying he has poor scholarly background, b/c he was engage in Jihad, eventually have forgotten what he have learned, it obvious proof is the mistake where NAWAWI becoming NOVI. I have other proofs but I don't have time to show them.



Statement of Auto Invalidation of his Khilafate (it is presented by a Deobandi Azam on Haqqforum - an offical forum of Ulama e Deoband ):

Most Important Letter.jpg




Brother Man eating Lizard, I'm here since 2 years, and I read the Sheikh Haris Hammam 6 month ago, therefore I'm not the follower of Sheikh, however like him very much. I only follow the Kibar Ullama Deoband and Ulama e haramain sharifain. and I'm Hanafi in fiqh and HANAFI in creed, not Maturidi, not Ashari, not GM.

Another pathetic Attempt, lol.

Dear idiot,
a) You made a claim that

ive in Karachi, I know how much he has penetration in Madaris, His Sheikh, Moulana Hakeem Akhtar Sahab also not happy with him and have taken away his Khilafat from him.

And I'm not comparing myself to "Mutakalim Islam", I'm only letting you see your own "Mutakalim Islam" in his own words. So don't ask me to read a paragraph.

And I'm not telling you story of "A PARAGHRAPH", I'm telling you the story of a person who can't read A VERY FAMOUS SINGLE WORD

So don't distory the image of our Ulama by declaring him an Alim who don't know A SINGLE WORD not A PARAGRAPH

This is what we call in urdu "sawal gandum Jawab chana". An "auto-Invalidation" rule,lol , is not the proof of your claim. You said his sheikh is unhappy with him. Show me an evidence that Hazat-e-Wala is "un-happy with him and has taken away his khilafat".

and

b) Haqq forum is not the "official forum of Ulama-e-Deoband,". Lol..... I know the people who run the forum, and they're not the "ulama-e-deoband".

This is by far the most stupid thread I've ever read on Sunniforum , ROTFL


But anyway, just to show the value the Ulama of Deoband "REALLY" give to Maulana, here's a clip of Mufti Zar Wali Khan sahib's comments about Maulana, just so that people know the reality that what ulama really think :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRvkSAkrpsc