Tajweed and the callers of Islam

[Maripat]

Link fixed.

[sudoku]

Very interesting read

[al-Andalusi]

Really appreciate the replies by members who actually read my post and understood it. The rest of the posts were not really constructive or related to the points raised as I never once said ones has to apply the rules of tajweed like idgham and the like when saying certain Islamic Arabic phrases rather I was on about people replacing one letter for another which changes the meaning of the statement.

Also the link provided by the brother does not go against the points I raised, one is obliged to say the name of Allah correctly and if he can't he should learn. If a person calls 1 million people everyday to the five prayers and cannot say the name of Allah correctly this still does not change the fact that he is obliged to say it correctly and is a matter which should be dealt with.

My point regarding scholars was that if someone has all the credentials to be a scholar yet he doesn't say the name of Allah correctly then he is not a scholar and if he can say it yet he chooses not to then he is defiantly not someone reliable you should trust with precious Islamic knowledge regardless of his analytical skills and memory.

[sudoku]

My point regarding scholars was that if someone has all the credentials to be a scholar yet he doesn't say the name of Allah correctly then he is not a scholar

Aynad daleel?

[al-Andalusi]

Sorry for posting so late been a bit busy.

My point regarding scholars was that if someone has all the credentials to be a scholar yet he doesn't say the name of Allah correctly then he is not a scholar

Aynad Daleel?

After reading my previous post I realised I should have made it more clear that what I was alluding towards is the person who has many credentials yet he does not know the basics of tajweed which he is obliged to know then he is not a scholar. How can one be considered a scholar if he does not know the basics of tajweed which he is obliged to know as tajweed is necessary for the validity of one's salaah. What I mean by basics of tajweed is not it rules like idghaam and the like rather simply articulating the letters from the correct exit points.

['Abdullaah]

Assalamu alaykum

There is also a lesson for you. From your post I understand that you claim that I am better than these people in certain branch of deen. That thinking is very dangerous.

It is like an ordinary saudi Arab can claim (His claim can be correct under certain circumstances) that he is better than Mufti Taqi uthmani sahib.

Sheikh Suliman Moola had mentioned in a lesson on spiritual diseases and ailments, that for someone to state or acknowledge that "i know more than you" is not pride; rather to feel that one is superior because of that fact and the other is inferior, that is pride.

As such, if the OP is well versed in Tajweed, and he is saddened by others mistake, and pointing it out, even it that meant an expression of his knowledge being more about the topic than others, it is not pride.

[abdulwahhab]

Sorry for posting so late been a bit busy.



After reading my previous post I realised I should have made it more clear that what I was alluding towards is the person who has many credentials yet he does not know the basics of tajweed which he is obliged to know then he is not a scholar. How can one be considered a scholar if he does not know the basics of tajweed which he is obliged to know as tajweed is necessary for the validity of one's salaah. What I mean by basics of tajweed is not it rules like idghaam and the like rather simply articulating the letters from the correct exit points.

Proper tajweed and recitation of surah al-Faatihah is necessary in the Shafi'i madhhab. It is not a necessity in the Hanafi madhhab and the salah is still considered valid if one says, for example, "wa la ad-dhaalleen" or "wa la az-zaalleen" - but of course one should try to correct their pronunciation and people with correct pronunciation should be preferred over those without when it comes to imamah of salah.

If you're talking about makhraj, then it comes down to Arabic, rather than tajweed - because in Arabic as well as in the Qur'an, the makhaarij for some letters change when you're speaking in a different dialect or reciting a different qira'ah of the Qur'an.

The most famous example is for the letter ج in Arabic: it can be pronounced as "jeem" or "geem". In some regions, ق is pronounced as either "qaaf" or "gaaf". In the Qur'an, a clear example is the pronunciation of the letter ص - some recitations pronouncing it with a "z" sound and others pronouncing it with the "s" sound.

[The Fake Shaykh]

Guidelines for mistakes during recitation in salāh: http://www.central-mosque.com/index....-in-salah.html