Where Islam commands women to cover their hairs? Javed Ahmad Ghamidi says no where!

[Auzer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKTvI...eature=related


He is Javed Ahmad Ghamidi. He is a learned Islamic scholar from Pakistan but now living in Malaysia. His interpretation is different than mainstream Islam practiced in Pakistan and hence he had to flee because Pakis are just too dumb to tolerate other views. Anyways , coming to the point ....Is parda (covering) of hairs compulsory in Islam? Javed Ahmed Ghamidi says that there is no such command in Islamic Shari'a. There are four aspects of parda of Muslim women

1- Have 'Hayah' in their eyes (that is ..don't search for and look at opposite sex with lust)
2- Should wear decent/clean dress and remain dignified/presentable.
3-Women should cover their chest too. They should wear loose clothings so that their chest does not become "prominent"
4-Women should not show-off their beauty and fashion to others.


So what you guys say? Many people in Pakistan don't respect him and say that he rejects hadith...He NEVER said that he reject hadiths...I kinda like this guy....

So where in Islam it is explicitly stated that women has to cover their hairs all the time?

A rational/dignified discussion will be appreciated...no abuse.

Thanks

[amr123]

His interpretation is different than mainstream Islam practiced in Pakistan and hence he had to flee because Pakis are just too dumb to tolerate other views.

[Auzer]

I find that comment rather abusive and offensive about pakistaNIS.

mmm There's nothing offensive about it. Pakistanis , most of the times , are bunch of idiots who NEVER read Qur'an but just recite it without even knowing (like cattle? huh). They are superficial and believe in Islam as a "superstition" ...they never really understand it or bother to study it. (OFFCOURSE there are many,many very highly learned scholars of Islam that are Pakistanis but I am referring to the general population of Pakistan..If you are from Pakistan , you would AGREE with me..isn't it? (sorry for the use of word idiot because I didn't find any other appropriate word to express what I actually feel) ...

[abdulwahhab]

mmm There's nothing offensive about it. Pakistanis , most of the times , are bunch of idiots who NEVER read Qur'an but just recite it without even knowing (like cattle? huh). They are superficial and believe in Islam as a "superstition" ...they never really understand it or bother to study it. (OFFCOURSE there are many,many very highly learned scholars of Islam that are Pakistanis but I am referring to the general population of Pakistan..If you are from Pakistan , you would AGREE with me..isn't it? (sorry for the use of word idiot because I didn't find any other appropriate word to express what I actually feel) ...

Sorry, but the word you're using to describe Pakistanis is most apt for you.

The Qur'an states that women have to cover themselves up. Have YOU even read the Qur'an or do you just like to parrot views from heretics who make up vitriol against Islam because you don't like Islam?

يَا أَيُّهَا النَّبِيُّ قُل لِّأَزْوَاجِكَ وَبَنَاتِكَ وَنِسَاء الْمُؤْمِنِينَ يُدْنِينَ عَلَيْهِنَّ مِن جَلَابِيبِهِنَّ

I have nothing against Hijab. I LIKE the Hijab (specially Iranian/Turkish/Lebanon girls etc) .... but my question was purely from other point of view...Ghamidi IS a learned man..He has read and studied Islam is great detail. If he says something , there ought to be some reason..So again ...kindly , provide me with "explicit" reference from Islamic Shar'a which says that women should cover their hairs and face? If thats the case then the girls living in the West who wear pents (decent) but don't cover their hairs (but wear decent/complete clothes) are sinful? ...OR ..probably Ghamidi is right and Western Muslim girls do not draw anger of Allah (SWT) just because of their dressing (afterall , they can't wear shalwar/kameez or hijab all the time because they were born in Western culture/environment) .... I have no problem with girls wearing hijab...but to say that this girl is not 'ba parda' because she is wearing T-shirt and pents and not covering her hairs is rude..isn't it?

Here's another hint for you. The Arab women before Islam did not wear hijab, did not cover their hair, did not cover their face, did not necessarily wear loose clothing. After Islam, why did all these women start covering their hair and their faces? I guess they all simultaneously became "idiots"!

[Auzer]

Sorry, but the word you're using to describe Pakistanis is most apt for you.

The Qur'an states that women have to cover themselves up. Have YOU even read the Qur'an or do you just like to parrot views from heretics who make up vitriol against Islam because you don't like Islam?

يَا أَيُّهَا النَّبِيُّ قُل لِّأَزْوَاجِكَ وَبَنَاتِكَ وَنِسَاء الْمُؤْمِنِينَ يُدْنِينَ عَلَيْهِنَّ مِن جَلَابِيبِهِنَّ

Here's another hint for you. The Arab women before Islam did not wear hijab, did not cover their hair, did not cover their face, did not necessarily wear loose clothing. After Islam, why did all these women start covering their hair and their faces? I guess they all simultaneously became "idiots"!

If I am not wrong , the verse you quoted is from Surah Al-Ahzab...right? mmmmm I assume that you have actually read the Qur'an ( with translation offcourse) and in that case , I'll dare to ask you....do you know the context of this verse , right? Was this verse a 'general' command for Muslim girls for coming centuries OR was it a SPECIFIC command because of the behavior of kufaars during those times? Anyways , I am not here to argue anything ...I just wanted to prompt a discussion regarding this video and Ghamidi's views...

Here's another hint for you. The Arab women before Islam did not wear hijab, did not cover their hair, did not cover their face, did not necessarily wear loose clothing. After Islam, why did all these women start covering their hair and their faces? I guess they all simultaneously became "idiots"!

This is a complete mis-interpretation of my words from your side. I N E V E R stated that wearing Hijab makes one "idiot" ..then why you are trying to imply as such?

[sudoku]

Was this verse a 'general' command for Muslim girls for coming centuries OR was it a SPECIFIC command because of the behavior of kufaars during those times?

Has the behaviour of the kuffar become all flowery towards Muslims from that time? No. It has become worse.

However, that's not even a point to make. The commands in the Qur'aan are for all times, not for specific times.

Your comments about Pakistanis is offensive and against the forum rules. And reading Qur'aan like a cattle is better than interpreting it to one own whims.

[transitory]

mmm There's nothing offensive about it. Pakistanis , most of the times , are bunch of idiots who NEVER read Qur'an but just recite it without even knowing (like cattle? huh). They are superficial and believe in Islam as a "superstition" ...they never really understand it or bother to study it. (OFFCOURSE there are many,many very highly learned scholars of Islam that are Pakistanis but I am referring to the general population of Pakistan..If you are from Pakistan , you would AGREE with me..isn't it? (sorry for the use of word idiot because I didn't find any other appropriate word to express what I actually feel) ...

What a condescending attitude, I must say that you do not know that even if one just recites Quran Kareem without understanding it, one will get a lot of good deeds just by reciting. However, I agree that we must all learn Arabic and understand the meaning of Quran Kareem from an authentic Tafseer.

How do you know that this guy Ghamidi, I heard him for the first time a few days ago, is he a scholar? I heard some of his stuff on YouTube, looks like a totally ignorant fellow and seems to be pulling things from the hat, to me he appears to be a tool. Allahu Allam!

[WaliRazi]

These sort of newfangled interpretations of the Shari'ah only gained currency after colonialist subjugation of Muslims. Is this heretic able to quote even one scholar from the first thousand years of Islam who held the hijab to be non-compulsory? No! All the 'ulama of the past were wrong and this heretic is right? No! God says about people like Ghamidi in suratu Nisa:

"But no, by your Lord, they can have no Faith, until they make you (O Muhammad) judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions, and accept (them) with full submission."

[akabirofdeoband]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKTvI...eature=related


Pakis are just too dumb to tolerate other views.


Anyways , coming to the point ....A rational/dignified discussion will be appreciated...no abuse.

Thanks

I find that comment rather abusive and offensive about pakistaNIS.

[muslimsister101]

I wonder whose payroll this joker is on.