Where Islam commands women to cover their hairs? Javed Ahmad Ghamidi says no where!

[Perseveranze]

I have nothing against Hijab. I LIKE the Hijab (specially Iranian/Turkish/Lebanon girls etc) .... but my question was purely from other point of view...Ghamidi IS a learned man..He has read and studied Islam is great detail. If he says something , there ought to be some reason..So again ...kindly , provide me with "explicit" reference from Islamic Shar'a which says that women should cover their hairs and face? If thats the case then the girls living in the West who wear pents (decent) but don't cover their hairs (but wear decent/complete clothes) are sinful? ...OR ..probably Ghamidi is right and Western Muslim girls do not draw anger of Allah (SWT) just because of their dressing (afterall , they can't wear shalwar/kameez or hijab all the time because they were born in Western culture/environment) .... I have no problem with girls wearing hijab...but to say that this girl is not 'ba parda' because she is wearing T-shirt and pents and not covering her hairs is rude..isn't it?



lol who is joker? Me or Ghamidi?

If you're honestly sincere about this, then read all this, you'll change your mind - http://www.sultan.org/books/hijab.pdf

[Aseatic]

Isn't it in the Qur'an itself, for women to cover hair? I forget which surah though. But it was definitely there.

[TripolySunni]

'Uqbah bin 'Amir (ra) had a sister who took a vow to go to Hajj barefooted and without covering her face, so when they asked the Prophet (SAWS) he said:

مروها فالتختمر ولتركب ولتصم ثلاثة أيام

"Order her to cover her face and ride (to Hajj) and to fast three days (as punishment for making the vow).

[transitory]

mmm There's nothing offensive about it. Pakistanis , most of the times , are bunch of idiots who NEVER read Qur'an but just recite it without even knowing (like cattle? huh). They are superficial and believe in Islam as a "superstition" ...they never really understand it or bother to study it. (OFFCOURSE there are many,many very highly learned scholars of Islam that are Pakistanis but I am referring to the general population of Pakistan..If you are from Pakistan , you would AGREE with me..isn't it? (sorry for the use of word idiot because I didn't find any other appropriate word to express what I actually feel) ...

What a condescending attitude, I must say that you do not know that even if one just recites Quran Kareem without understanding it, one will get a lot of good deeds just by reciting. However, I agree that we must all learn Arabic and understand the meaning of Quran Kareem from an authentic Tafseer.

How do you know that this guy Ghamidi, I heard him for the first time a few days ago, is he a scholar? I heard some of his stuff on YouTube, looks like a totally ignorant fellow and seems to be pulling things from the hat, to me he appears to be a tool. Allahu Allam!

[Auzer]

Sorry, but the word you're using to describe Pakistanis is most apt for you.

The Qur'an states that women have to cover themselves up. Have YOU even read the Qur'an or do you just like to parrot views from heretics who make up vitriol against Islam because you don't like Islam?

يَا أَيُّهَا النَّبِيُّ قُل لِّأَزْوَاجِكَ وَبَنَاتِكَ وَنِسَاء الْمُؤْمِنِينَ يُدْنِينَ عَلَيْهِنَّ مِن جَلَابِيبِهِنَّ

Here's another hint for you. The Arab women before Islam did not wear hijab, did not cover their hair, did not cover their face, did not necessarily wear loose clothing. After Islam, why did all these women start covering their hair and their faces? I guess they all simultaneously became "idiots"!

If I am not wrong , the verse you quoted is from Surah Al-Ahzab...right? mmmmm I assume that you have actually read the Qur'an ( with translation offcourse) and in that case , I'll dare to ask you....do you know the context of this verse , right? Was this verse a 'general' command for Muslim girls for coming centuries OR was it a SPECIFIC command because of the behavior of kufaars during those times? Anyways , I am not here to argue anything ...I just wanted to prompt a discussion regarding this video and Ghamidi's views...

Here's another hint for you. The Arab women before Islam did not wear hijab, did not cover their hair, did not cover their face, did not necessarily wear loose clothing. After Islam, why did all these women start covering their hair and their faces? I guess they all simultaneously became "idiots"!

This is a complete mis-interpretation of my words from your side. I N E V E R stated that wearing Hijab makes one "idiot" ..then why you are trying to imply as such?

[sudoku]

Was this verse a 'general' command for Muslim girls for coming centuries OR was it a SPECIFIC command because of the behavior of kufaars during those times?

Has the behaviour of the kuffar become all flowery towards Muslims from that time? No. It has become worse.

However, that's not even a point to make. The commands in the Qur'aan are for all times, not for specific times.

Your comments about Pakistanis is offensive and against the forum rules. And reading Qur'aan like a cattle is better than interpreting it to one own whims.

[Auzer]

Isn't it in the Qur'an itself, for women to cover hair? I forget which surah though. But it was definitely there.

It's not. Surah Al Ahzab was revealed in a SPECIFIC context ...Yeah Surah Al noor has verses dealing with 'general commands' for Muslim girls and covering of face/hearing isn't there. Don't believe me? Check it by yourself...

http://quran.com/24

Read verse 31 to be precise .....

Also what about my this point then ....

"If thats the case then the girls living in the West who wear pents (decent) but don't cover their hairs (but wear decent/complete clothes) are sinful?" Do you expect them to wear Shalwar kameez and hijabs/niqabs in the West?

[Auzer]

Has the behaviour of the kuffar become all flowery towards Muslims from that time? No. It has become worse.

However, that's not even a point to make. The commands in the Qur'aan are for all times, not for specific times.

Your comments about Pakistanis is offensive and against the forum rules. And reading Qur'aan like a cattle is better than interpreting it to one own whims.

I apologize about my comments regarding Pakistan. Sorry. But still Pakistanis need to IMPROVE their understanding of Qur'an as a nation. We should get KNOWLEDGE from Qur'an , not just read it to get just 'sawaab' . . . .

Also , YES the behavior of Kuffar is no where the same as it was back then now. Al Ahzab's verse was revealed because Kuffar used to 'target' Muslim women and Prohet's (SAW) wives ... They used to hurl different slogans on them etc and when Muslims used to quarrel with them..they used to say "Well , we didn't know they were you women , hah!" ..due to THAT situation , Allah revealed verses where Prophet's wives were given STRICT command to not to even go out of their house and Muslim women were told to cover themselves so that Kufar can recognize them (taking away their excuse of "We didn't know" ..) ..The every context of Surah Al Ahzab makes in absolutely clear that these commands are for a specific situation and due to certain sensitivities God had to reveal these verses ( Prophet's wives were made to take more strict measures ) etc .... So clearly , these verses aren't 'general' commands for Muslim girls ... These commands are in Surah Al-Noor. In today's world , Muslim girls aren't targeted just because of their religion (exceptions are there but this is not a general trend in the West) .... Again , I am NOT against Hijab...I want Iranians , Lebanese , Turkish , Pakistani , Malaysians etc etc to keep wearing hijabs....but my main point is that if any girl doesn't take hijab....she is NOT "sinful" and Allah (SWT) will NOT 'punish' her only because of this .... Agree or not?

[sudoku]

Also what about my this point then ....

"If thats the case then the girls living in the West who wear pents (decent) but don't cover their hairs (but wear decent/complete clothes) are sinful?"

^ Yes they are sinful because a hadeeth clearly states that a girl past puberty must cover all save her face, hands and feet.

People commit many sins, it isn't so shocking if they are commiting another.

[Auzer]

^ Yes they are sinful because a hadeeth clearly states that a girl past puberty must cover all save her face, hands and feet.

People commit many sins, it isn't so shocking if they are commiting another.

I will like to see that Hadith.Is it explicit?

Also , so you accept that Qur'an does NOT say girls/women to cover their face/head all the time ...right? Surah Al Ahzab was for spefic situation as I explained it in my post #18.

Also , according to you ...what if a girl wears pents but take hijab too? Is she still sinful? or not? (though I do not believe that even a non-Hijabi girl is a sinner..I just want your opinion on this)....