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    Default The Heart and its Functions

    Quote Originally Posted by NNoor View Post
    This is very true. I used to spend a lot of time on metaphysics, but in the end, I realized it's something one should only dwell on after he's settled down more important areas in his life. I do plan to get back to it one day, inshallah at the appropriate time. Philosophical proofs are never 100% satisfactory. In alMunqiz min alDalal, Imam alGhazzali mentions this very point, and says something to the effect that the strongest source of faith is spiritual struggle, and that faith is in reality a light that Allah casts into the hearts of those whom He chooses.
    Sir Syed Ahmad Khan's approach: Qur'an ki koi baat aqal ke Khilaf na honi chahiye.
    Nothing in Qur'an should be against reason

    He was a revisionist. Reinterpreted Islam to appeal to the Secular intellect. going to write something on his contribution to Secularist thought amongst Muslims here

    Maulana Qasim Nanotwi's approach: Aqal ki koi baat Qur'an ke Khilaf na honi Chaihiye
    No reasoning should be against the Noble Qur'an.


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    Default Re: A Hamza and a Hoodbhoy

    Quote Originally Posted by At Tayyib View Post
    Sir Syed Ahmad Khan's approach: Qur'an ki koi baat aqal ke Khilaf na honi chahiye. He was a revisionist. Reinterpreted Islam to appeal to the Secular intellect. going to write something on his contribution to Secularist thought amongst Muslims here

    Maulana Qasim Nanotwi's approach: Aqal ki koi baat Qur'an ke Khilaf na honi Chaihiye
    Translation:

    Sir Syed Ahmed Khan (RA) : Nothing in Qur'an should be against reason.
    Maulana Qasim Nanotwi (RA) : No reasoning should be against the Noble Qur'an.
    Last edited by Maripat; 19-09-2012 at 07:46 AM. Reason: Following wrong statement removed : These two things need not be mutually exclusive.


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    Default Re: A Hamza and a Hoodbhoy

    Quote Originally Posted by Maripat View Post
    Translation:

    Sir Syed Ahmed Khan (RA) : Nothing in Qur'an should be against reason.
    Maulana Qasim Nanotwi (RA) : No reasoning should be against the Noble Qur'an.
    for the translation

    Quote Originally Posted by Maripat View Post
    These two things need not be mutually exclusive.
    The Greek Philosophers, deemed as champions of intellect and rationalism by the western philosophers, erred greatly in this regard. Every thing was evaluated on the basis of reason and intellect. They even debated on the Being of Allah and His Attributes.

    They were successful in tackling those philosophical discussions which were irrational and against the intellect. But the Being of Allah and His Attributes are above the intellect. A true Muslim does not delve into these discussions. They fall under the Mutashabihaat.

    Even the discussions on Taqdeer, Predestination are extremely disliked. Even Rasulullah reprimanded the Sahabah for indulging in such discussions

    In Mishkat al-Masabeeh, a hadīth appears wherein Sayyidina Abū Hurairah Radhi-Allahu ‘anhu says that once Nabī Sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam appeared whilst a group of sahaba were discussing the concept of taqdeer. On hearing them, Nabī Sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam) became so angry that his blessed countenance turned red. He said: “Is this what you have been commanded with or was I commissioned with this? Those before were destroyed once they began discussing the belief of taqdeer. I command you not to discuss the belief of taqdeer".

    [Jamiatul Ulama (Johannesburg) Online Newsletter, 19 Rabi’ al Akhir 1427/ 18 May 2006]
    Last edited by At Tayyib; 19-09-2012 at 01:08 PM.


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    Default Re: A Hamza and a Hoodbhoy

    Great post akhi.

    Just half an hour ago a scholar said the same things as below to this sinner!

    They were successful in tackling those philosophical discussions which were irrational and against the intellect. But the Being of Allah and His Attributes are above the intellect. A true Muslim does not delve into these discussions. They fall under the Mutashabihaat.


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    Default Re: A Hamza and a Hoodbhoy

    Quote Originally Posted by Maripat View Post
    Great post akhi.

    Just half an hour ago a scholar said the same things as below to this sinner!
    for your kind words.


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    Default Re: A Hamza and a Hoodbhoy

    An Arif has said

    Khuda woh hai jo samajh mein to nahin aata
    God is He who is incomprehensible (by the intellect).

    par dil mein samajata hai.

    But it is the heart wherein he can be accomodated.



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    Default Re: A Hamza and a Hoodbhoy

    The Being of Allah and His Attributes can not be understood with intellective reasoning. The reasoning of the mind is intellectual

    But He can be experienced by intuitive reasoning. The reasoning of the Heart is intuitive

    Har tamanaa dil sey rukhsat ho gayi
    All the desires have left my heart

    Ab to ajaa ab to khalwat ho gayi
    Come now - it is solitude

    Sari duniya hi sey wahshat ho gayi
    I am afraid of the whole world

    Ab to ajaa ab to khalwat ho gayi
    Come now - it is complete solitude!

    Azeezul Hasan Majzoob

    What Hadrath Aziz ul Hasan is experiencing it can NEVER be explained. Until one experiences it one cannot understand it.

    If some one comes and lectures on the King of Fruits - The Alphonso Mangos of Ratnagiri. One can go on and on and on explaining the delicious taste of this fruit. But you can only understand the taste after you experience it ie. taste it.

    Same is with the Being of Allah and His Attibutes

    soon we will highlight the superiority of Intuitive reasoning over intellectual reasoning.

    Please bear impatiently



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    Default Re: A Hamza and a Hoodbhoy

    Quote Originally Posted by At Tayyib View Post
    Sir Syed Ahmad Khan's approach:
    .........

    He was a revisionist.

    Maulana Qasim Nanotwi's approach: Aqal ki koi baat Qur'an ke Khilaf na honi Chaihiye
    No reasoning should be against the Noble Qur'an.
    Maulana Qasim Nanotwi was a revivalist. His book Intisar ul Islam is a must read. Mind you the Urdu is Mind breaking


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    Default Re: A Hamza and a Hoodbhoy

    You, , have already done the translation so I'll leave that.

    Please go easy on him and people like him. Our beloved Prophet(PBUH) was sent to save people from hell and thus we are supposed to do our best to the same goal. You must have noticed that Professor Hoodbhuy used the sentence that we are Muslims because we were born so - that is it. For an optimistic person this is a lot.
    Personally I like Hamza's mission which is to defend Islam but his methodology is alien - it is too western for my own taste. I am not saying it to start a diversion but just to express my feelings. Then there is the style adopted by Professor Hoodbhuy - I feel comfortable with that because I have experienced that all these years. I just wish he was on the side of Islam. And to focus on the substance we must completely ignore the last minute flares.


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    Default Re: A Hamza and a Hoodbhoy

    Quote Originally Posted by At Tayyib View Post

    Khuda woh hai jo samajh mein to nahin aata

    par dil mein samajata hai.
    God is He who is incomprehensible.
    But He can be accomodated in heart.

    Quote Originally Posted by At Tayyib View Post
    Har tamanaa dil sey rukhsat ho gayi
    Ab to ajaa ab to khalwat ho gayi
    Sari duniya hi sey wahshat ho gayi
    Ab to ajaa ab to khalwat ho gayi


    Azeezul Hasan Majzoob
    All the desires have left my heart
    Come now - it is solitude
    I am afraid of the whole world
    Come now - it is complete solitude!


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