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    Default Economy and All That

    Economy is bigger instrument of residual colonialism - bigger than military as an instrument of modern western colonialism. The economy related topics do get a mention at SF but just like science the efforts are not in proportion to the importance of the topic.

    To kick start let us take this very recent lecture by Imran Hossein Sb.
    He does not mince his words - a badly required commodity.
    Of course there is a theory involved by his argument is not trivial.


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    stop buying coca cola


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    Many many years ago I met this Shiekh in US, he is right about economic predictions and many things he said then about economica are almost all becoming true. If I am not wrong, he used to work for IMF or World bank before he became what he is now, and held a decent position there. THough I do not agree with some of his end times prophecies in context of how he interprets the Hadith (he interpretations are so different from the mainstream), but on economics, he probably know a great deal more and is pretty spot on. Allahu Allam!


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    Any summary as to what the shaykh is saying?
    Would that I had the wings of Gabriel to bear me aloft
    To the Lord of the Throne
    ~ Heart Song, Talib al Habib


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    I am hearing the Shiekh after a long time, and I am surprised that he is so full of conspiracy theories, tweaking Hadith the way he sees fit (and so full of silent praise of Shias. He seems to have changed his views a lot since I heard him last a few years ago. Though there are some interesting and factually correct things in this lecture, he creates too many doubts about hadiths, and is full of scorn for traditional Ulemas.
    Last edited by transitory; 06-03-2012 at 04:33 AM.


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    Default Re: Economy and All That

    The pesky thing about conspiracies is that that are there, nearly all the time these are there or these are there too often than we can handle but the conspiracy theorists seldom get them right. So there.
    With the expertise and experience of Imran Sahab we expect better products.


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    Default Re: Economy and All That

    Quote Originally Posted by Maripat View Post
    The pesky thing about conspiracies is that that are there, nearly all the time these are there or these are there too often than we can handle but the conspiracy theorists seldom get them right. So there.
    With the expertise and experience of Imran Sahab we expect better products.
    I agree he sounded very predictable and stated the obvious.


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    Quote Originally Posted by zahed73 View Post
    I agree he sounded very predictable and stated the obvious.
    Even after a few days of watcing above video I am feeling that for us Imran Sahab has become a lost opportunity. With his kind of abilities and training he would have been a mighty asset for Ummah but he concludes his findings in conspiracy theories.


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    Always been fascinated but not entirely convinced about 'end of days' theories and how different scholars approach the prophecies by the Rasul saw on the events before qiyamat , on mahdi , dajjal and the rest ( as sufiyan , about the one who kills as sufiyan ) etc .

    While I do agree the some views of taking things entirely word
    by word is idiocy , example hadith says dajjal will ride a donkey of so and so length do not mean he will actually ride a donkey .

    Dajjal will have a mountain of bread with him do not actually have to mean he will carry bread with him every where .

    Where as the river Euphrates exposing her wealth may seem to some as oil and other minerals in the modern era who knows a few centuries from
    now other materials may be most valuable to humans.

    I have yet to see someone place a more logical sequence of events . For
    one event to happen other events need to happen before it , example conquering the Constantinople by Muslims / ( meaning it will not be occupied by muslims or under control of them ) .

    Rome is the center of power which will be conquered by muslims.
    ( meaning the political power as seen today will not exist , America will be gone , europe will make rome its leader )

    Occupation and bringing to trial leaders of Al hind meaning the indian sub continet will be against Al mahdi ( Al hind broadly describes the whole region , which indirectly says people here might not stay within the Ummah
    by then )

    Africa will become a powerful player whose leader will acknowledge
    Al mahdi as the leader of the world.

    Allinace with muslims and christians for fighting a common enemy before starting to fight amongst themselves.

    These things make you think there are still a while to go before the
    scenarios take place.

    Two opposite contrasts some take thinks too literally and for others excess hypothesis rules out the possibility the Rasul saw was talking about a
    world in future still unknown to us.
    Last edited by zahed73; 07-03-2012 at 08:46 AM.


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    Yes I agree and am sorry for side tracking . The clip was about economic issue of the present world .

    The speaker tried to relate it to end of days hadith . That is why I felt like other similar lectures I have heard from scholars they do not connect the dots only focus on one saying of the prophet and make it into their
    hypothesis.

    As far as the economy is concerned no doubt in my mind the modern day
    followers of satan / or the dajjal / dajjals of this era are responsible for
    the suffering of whole humanity with the economic system we are forced
    to live in.

    Remember there are supposed to be many dajjals till the time of qiyamah as mentioned by scholars . These small dajjals have influenced the world
    events and still doing so I suppose .

    I imagine them sitting in newyork or london right now.

    Anyway Allah knows best .


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