On Witr

[rqsnnt]

Assalamu alaykum
Did you re-verify Saheeh Bukhari, muslim, ibn-majah, nisaai, tirmidhi, abu dawood? No! Why? Hadeeth experts have verifited them.

Brother u totally misunderstood me. I mentioned to verify ur Action, not Hadith.

The reason for not creating a single book of fiqh is, if there are hundred people in a masjid in your group, there are atleast ten difference of opinion on what is sunnah.

If a Hadith is Authentic and not abrogated [I mean workable version] then i have no any problem to follow that hadith caz i don't care what people say it's Sunnah or not.

So don't do drama of saying hadeeth books are our books.

It's not a Drama. It's true. When something that's not available in hadith books then we see ur books.

[rqsnnt]

My actions are definitely on sunnah when I follow a faqeeh. I am hundred percent sure about it. May be the action can contradict a hadeeth.

Like when I read a hadeeth in Bukhari on passing urine in standing posture.

Like I read hadeeth on doing rafayadain before and after sajdah in saheehian.

I am not a hadeeth rejector if I pass urine in sitting posture and not facing the qiblah or won't do rafayadain in sajdah.

I can help u more with followings.

Muslim: Book 4, Number 1536:

Ibn Buhaina reported: The dawn prayer had commenced when the Messen- ger of Allah (may peace be upon him) saw a person observing prayer, whereas the Mu'adhdhin had pronounced the Iqama. Upon this he (the Holy Prophet) remarked: Do you say four (rak'ahs) of Fard in the dawn prayer?

Muslim: Book 4, Number 1537:

'Abdullah b. Sarjis reported: A person entered the mosque, while the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) was leading the dawn prayer. He observed two rak'ahs in a corner of the mosque, and then joined the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) in prayer. When the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) had pronounced salutations (he had concluded the prayer), he said: O, so and so, which one out of these two prayers did you count (as your Fard prayer), the one that you observed alone or the prayer that you observed with us ?


What do u do after reading 2 hadiths? How do follow these hadiths? Brother yet u couldn't describe ur action!!!.

[timeup]

While reading Tirmidhi, i came across following hadith which is saying Witr is Sunnah. Hadith is as follow
Tirmidhi:
3- BOOK ON WITR
Chapter 2
Witr is not fard
(453)Sayyidina Ali (RA) said, “The witr is not fard like your prescribed prayers. But, it is the sunnah of Allah’s Messenger (SAW) who said: Surely Allah is witr (one). He loves witr, so offer the witr, “O people of the Quran!.”
[Ahmed 652, Abu Dawud 1416, Muslim 1674, Ibn e Majah 1169]

what a disguise!!!
the correct translation should be..
“The witr is not fard like your prescribed prayers. But, it is theWAY of Allah’s Messenger (SAW) who said: Surely Allah is witr (one). He loves witr, so OFFER the witr, “O people of the Quran!.”

rasullulah impressing the order to OFFER it, itself makes its wajib on u.
as far as sunnah, its something like if i say, its the sunnah of to offer ffardh salah in masjid. then will u make fardh to be a sunnah??

[Salafi-Muslim]

The Prophet said
أَوْتِرُوا فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ وِتْرٌ يُحِبُّ الْوِتْرَ

"Do Witr, for verily Allah is Witr and loves that which is Witr" (Sunan Abi Daud: Kitab ul Witr)

This proves Witr is 1 raka'at. But according to hanafis this Hadith means Allah is 3, which means there is no difference between Hanafis and Christians.

[Salafi-Muslim]

And what about the hadeeth you quote for taraweeh from mother Ayesha, where it is said the practice of Rasulullah SAS was to pray three rakat witr. (Naudubillah Mother Ayesha was claiming Allah is three like christians).

You can please bring the reference

[Salafi-Muslim]

It is not we, you refer to that hadeeth of mother Ayesha.

Yes but bring the Hadith with the wording that the practice of the Prophet is that he prayed 3 rakaat witr.

The hadith we quote says that Prophet prayed 11 rakaat at night in Ramadan and outside of Ramadan. As you can see no mention of 3 rakaat witr.

[Salafi-Muslim]

Can you please quote the full hadeeth.

Why should I quote? You are the one who mentioned this Hadith for your argument. It is your job to quote it not mine.

[Salafi-Muslim]

Can you please quote the full hadeeth.

Narrated Abu Salama ibn Abdur Rahman that he asked Aisha (Allah be pleased with her), "How was the prayer of Allah's Apostle (Peace be upon him) in Ramadan?" She replied, "He did not pray more than eleven raka'at in Ramadan or in any other month. He used to pray four raka'at - let alone their beauty and length - and then he would pray four - let alone their beauty and length - and then he would pray three rak'aat (witr)." She added, "I asked, 'O Allah's Apostle! Do you sleep before praying the witr?' He replied, 'O Aisha, My eyes sleep but my heart does not sleep.'" (Bukhari, 3/230, English edn)

Why did you put witr in brackets? This is your interpolation.

What Aisha (RA) is descibing is the breaks in the Prophet's prayer. He would pray four rakaat (2+2) then take a break for rest, then he would pray four rakaat (2+2) then take another break for rest, then he would pray three rakaat (2+1).

[Zahed]

rqsnnt,

Last time you left without answering satisfactorily to my questions. I'm asking those again:

-How do you know that Imam Bukhari, Muslim and others wrote authentic Ahadith?

After getting your answer I'll ask the next question .

[rqsnnt]

rqsnnt,

Last time you left without answering satisfactorily to my questions. I'm asking those again:

-How do you know that Imam Bukhari, Muslim and others wrote authentic Ahadith?

After getting your answer I'll ask the next question .

Zahed

What was the context of ur question? And why will u ask me the next question?