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    Quote Originally Posted by abid786 View Post
    Then surely it's unjust to punish them for not believing becuase it's not their fault they're dumb and blind?
    It is certainly their fault that they are deaf and blind (spiritually)

    this is something that happens when Allah opens up the road towards Hell for them

    it occurs only as a result of their evil behaviour and their rejection of righteousness

    Justice is Allah's it is not based upon your personal opinions, Allah is the Most Just His view is what matters


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    InshAllah br. Hamza Tzortzis' work will be very helpful.....amazing arguments subhanAllah.

    There are articles, debates, videos.... http://www.hamzatzortzis.com/

    I'm also attaching a Powerpoint presentation he once did here in Toronto back in 2008! many atheist clubs were present in the gathering.
    "If you are able, keep your heart from morning till night and from night till morning free from malice towards anyone." (Bukhari)

    -Ae Ishq e Nabi (s)-

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    ATHEISTS : DISBELIEVERS : KUFFAR


    Or (their likeness is) that of a storm-cloud in the sky, full of darkness, thunder and lightning. They put their fingers in their ears against the thunderclaps, fearful of death. Allah encompasses the disbelievers. (2:19)

    If you do not do that-and you will not do it-then fear the Fire whose fuel is people and stones, made ready for the disbelievers. (2:24)

    We said to the angels, 'Prostrate to Adam!' and they prostrated, with the exception of Diabolis. He refused and was arrogant and was one of the disbelievers. (2:34)

    When a Book does come to them from Allah, confirming what is with them-even though before that they were praying for victory over the disbelievers-yet when what they recognise does come to them, they reject it. Allah's curse is on the disbelievers. (2:89)

    What an evil thing they have sold themselves for in rejecting what Allah has sent down, outraged that Allah should send down His favour on whichever of His servants He wills. They have brought down anger upon anger on themselves. The disbelievers will have a humiliating punishment. (2:90)

    Anyone who is the enemy of Allah and of His angels, and of His Messengers and of Gabriel and Michael, should know that Allah is the enemy of the disbelievers.' (2:98)

    You who believe! Do not say, 'Listen to us,' say, 'Look at us,' and listen well. The disbelievers will have a painful punishment. (2:104)

    Those of the People of the Book who disbelieve and the idolaters do not like anything good to be sent down to you from your Lord. But Allah selects for His mercy whomever He wills. Allah's favour is truly vast. (2:105)

    But as for those who disbelieve and die while they are disbelievers, the curse of Allah is upon them and that of the angels and all mankind. (2:161)

    Kill them wherever you come across them and expel them from where they expelled you. Corruption is worse than killing. Do not fight them in the Sacred Mosque (Masjid al-Haram) until they fight you there. But if they do fight you, then kill them. That is how the disbelievers should be repaid. (2:191)

    They will ask you about the Sacred Month and fighting in it. Say, 'Fighting in it is a serious matter; but barring access to the Way of Allah and rejecting Him and barring access to the Sacred Mosque (Masjid al-Haram) and expelling its people from it are far more serious in the sight of Allah. Discord is worse than killing.' They will not stop fighting you until they make you revert from your religion, if they are able. As for any of you who revert from their religion and die disbeliever, their actions will come to nothing in this world and the hereafter. They are the Companions of the Fire, remaining in it timelessly, for ever. (2:217)

    When they came out against Goliath and his troops, they said, 'Our Lord, pour down steadfastness upon us, and make our feet firm, and help us against this disbelieving people.' (2:250)

    You who believe! Give away some of what We have provided for you before a Day arrives on which there is no trading, no close friendship and no intercession. It is the disbelievers who are the wrongdoers. (2:254)

    You who believe! Do not nullify your charity by demands for gratitude or insulting words, like him who spends his wealth, showing off to people and not believing in Allah and the Last Day. His likeness is that of a smooth rock coated with soil, which, when heavy rain falls on it, is left stripped bare. They have no power over anything they have earned. Allah does not guide disbelieving people. (2:264)

    Allah does not impose on any self any more than it can stand. For it is what it has earned; against it, what it has brought upon itself. 'Our Lord, do not take us to task if we forget or make a mistake! Our Lord, do not place on us a load like the one You placed on those before us! Our Lord, do not place on us a load we have not the strength to bear! And pardon us; and forgive us; and have mercy on us. You are our Master, so help us against the people of the disbelievers.' (2:286)

    There was a sign for you in the two parties which met face to face, one party fighting in the Way of Allah and the other disbelievers. You saw them as twice their number with your own eyes. Allah reinforces with His help whoever He wills. There is instruction in that for people of insight. (3:13)

    The believers should not take disbelievers as friends rather than believers. Anyone who does that has nothing to do with Allah at all-unless it is because you are afraid of them. Allah advises you to be afraid of Him. Allah is the final destination. (3:28)

    Say, 'Obey Allah and the Messenger.' Then if they turn away, Allah does not love the disbelievers. (3:32)

    As for those who disbelieve and die while they are disbelievers, the whole earth filled with gold would not be accepted from any of them if they were to offer it as a ransom. They will have a painful punishment. They will have no helpers. (3:91)

    Have fear of the Fire which has been prepared for the disbelievers. (3:131)

    All they said was, 'Our Lord, forgive us our wrong actions and any excesses we went to in what we did and make our feet firm and help us against these disbelieving people.' (3:147)

    As for those who are tight-fisted and direct others to be tight-fisted, and hide the bounty Allah has given them, We have prepared a humiliating punishment for those who disbelieve. (4:37)

    When you are travelling in the land, there is nothing wrong in your shortening your prayer if you fear that those who disbelieve may harass you. The disbelievers are your clear-cut enemies. (4:101)

    When you are with them and leading them in prayer, a group of them should stand with you, keeping hold of their weapons. When they prostrate, the others should guard your backs. Then the other group who have not yet prayed should come and pray with you. They too should be careful and keep hold of their weapons. Those who disbelieve would like you to be negligent of your arms and equipment so that they can swoop down on you once and for all. There is nothing wrong, if you are bothered by rain or you are ill, in laying your weapons down; but take every precaution. Allah has prepared a humiliating punishment for the disbelievers. (4:102)

    Do those who take the disbelievers as protectors, rather than the believers, hope to find power and strength with them? Power and strength belong entirely to Allah. (4:139)

    It has been sent down to you in the Book that when you hear Allah's Signs being rejected and mocked at by people, you must not sit with them till they start talking of other things. If you do you are just the same as them. Allah will gather all the hypocrites and disbelievers into Hell. (4:140)

    Those who anticipate the worst for you say, 'Were we not with you?' whenever you gain a victory from Allah, but if the disbelievers have a success they say, 'Did we not have the upper hand over you and yet in spite of that keep the believers away from you?' Allah will judge between you on the Day of Rising. Allah will not give the disbelievers any way against the believers. (4:141)

    You who believe! Do not take the disbelievers as friends rather than the believers. Do you want to give Allah clear proof against you? (4:144)

    Such people are the true disbelievers. We have prepared a humiliating punishment for the disbelievers. (4:151)

    And because of their taking usury when they were forbidden to do it, and because of their consuming people's wealth by wrongful means, We have prepared for the disbelievers among them a painful punishment. (4:161)

    We sent down the Torah containing guidance and light, and the Prophets who had submitted themselves gave judgement by it for the Jews-as did their scholars and their rabbis-by what they had been allowed to preserve of Allah's Book to which they were witnesses. Do not be afraid of people, be afraid of Me. And do not sell My Signs for a paltry price. Those who do not judge by what Allah has sent down, such people are disbelievers. (5:44)

    You who believe! If any of you renounce your religion, Allah will bring forward a people whom He loves and who love Him, humble to the believers, fierce to the disbelievers, who strive in the Way of Allah and do not fear the blame of any censurer. That is the unbounded favour of Allah which He gives to whoever He wills. Allah is Boundless, All-Knowing. (5:54)

    You who believe! Do not take as friends any of those who who make a mockery and a game out of your religion among the ones who were given the Book before you or the disbelievers. Have fear of Allah if you are believers. (5:57)

    O Messenger! Transmit what has been sent down to you from your Lord. If you do not do it you will not have transmitted His Message. Allah will protect you from people. Allah does not guide the people of the disbelievers. (5:67)

    Say: 'People of the Book! You have nothing to stand on until you implement the Torah and the Gospel and what has been sent down to you from your Lord.' What has been sent down to you from your Lord increases many of them in insolence and disbelief. So do not waste your grief on the people of the disbelievers. (5:68)

    Is someone who was dead and whom We brought to life, supplying him with a light by which to walk among people, the same as someone who is in utter darkness, unable to emerge from it? That is how what they were doing is made to seem attractive to the disbelievers. (6:122)

    Who could do greater wrong than someone who invents lies against Allah or denies His Signs? Such people's portion of the Book will catch up with them so that when Our messengers come to them to take them in death, saying, 'Where are those you called upon besides Allah?' they will say, 'They have forsaken us,' testifying against themselves that they were disbelievers. (7:37)

    You who believe! When you encounter those who disbelieve advancing in massed ranks into battle, do not turn your backs on them. (8:15)

    That is your reward. Allah always confounds the schemes of the disbelievers. (8:18)

    O Prophet! Spur on the believers to fight. If there are twenty of you who are steadfast, they will overcome two hundred; and if there are a hundred of you, they will overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they are people who do not understand. (8:65)

    They desire to extinguish Allah's Light with their mouths. But Allah refuses to do other than perfect His Light, even though the disbelievers detest it. (9:32)

    Deferring a sacred month is an increase in disbelief by which those who have disbelieved are led astray. One year they make it profane and another sacred to tally with the number Allah has made sacred. In that way they profane what Allah has made sacred. Their bad actions are made to seem good to them. Allah does not guide disbelieving people. (9:37)

    Allah has promised the men and women of the hypocrites and disbelievers the Fire of Hell, remaining in it timelessly, for ever. It will suffice them. Allah has cursed them. They will have everlasting punishment. (9:68)

    O Prophet, strive against the disbelievers and hypocrites and be harsh with them. Their shelter will be Hell. What an evil destination! (9:73)

    It was not for people of Madina, and the desert arabs around them, to remain behind the Messenger of Allah nor to prefer themselves to him. That is because no thirst or weariness or hunger will afflict them in the Way of Allah, nor will they take a single step to infuriate the disbelievers, nor secure any gain from the enemy, without a right action being written down for them because of it. Allah does not let the wage of the good-doers go to waste. (9:120)

    (People of Musa said, 'Our Lord,) rescue us, by Your mercy, from this disbelieving people!' (10:86)

    It sailed with them through mountainous waves, and Nuh called out to his son, who had kept himself apart, 'My son! Come on board with us. Do not stay with the disbelievers!' (11:42)

    (Yusuf's father said,) 'My sons! Seek news of Yusuf and his brother. Do not despair of solace from Allah. No one despairs of solace from Allah except for people who are disbelievers.' (12:87)

    Then on the Day of Rising He will disgrace them, and say, 'Where are My partner gods for whose sake you became so hostile?' Those given knowledge will say, 'Today there is disgrace and evil for the disbelievers.' (16:27)

    (We decreed for the tribe of Israel,) 'It may well be that your Lord will have mercy on you. But if you revert to what you did, We also will revert. We have made Hell a prison for the disbelievers.' (17:8)

    Do those who disbelieve imagine that they can take My servants as protectors instead of Me? We have prepared Hell as hospitality for the disbelievers! (18:102)

    Do you not see that We send the Satans against those who disbelieve to goad them on? (19:83)

    So do not obey the disbelievers but use this to battle against them with all your might. (25:52)

    Yet they worship instead of Allah what can neither help nor harm them. The disbeliever is ever, against his Lord, an assistant (to Satan). (25:55)

    You did not expect to be given the Book. It is nothing but a mercy from your Lord. So do not lend support to the disbelievers. (28:86)

    Those who disbelieved will find that their disbelief was against themselves. Those who did right were making the way easy for themselves; so that He can repay with His bounty those who believed and did right actions. He certainly does not love the disbelievers. (30:44-45)

    O Prophet! Have fear of Allah and do not obey the disbelievers and hypocrites. Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise. (33:1)

    ... We made a binding covenant with them (the Prophets), so that He would be able to question the truthful about their truth; and He has prepared a painful punishment for the disbelievers. (33:7-8)

    Do not obey the disbelievers and hypocrites and disregard their abuse of you. Put your trust in Allah. Allah suffices as a Protector. (33:48)

    Allah has cursed the disbelievers and prepared a Searing Blaze for them. (33:64)

    It is He Who made you His representatives on the earth. So whoever disbelieves, his disbelief is against himself. In Allah's sight, the disbelief of the disbelievers only increases their loathsomeness; the disbelief of the disbelievers only increases their loss. (35:39)

    We did not teach him poetry nor would it be right for him. It is simply a reminder and a clear Qur'an so that you may warn those who are truly alive and so that the Word may be carried out against the disbelievers. (36:69-70)

    They are surprised that a warner should come to them from among themselves. The disbelievers say, 'This is a lying magician.' (38:4)

    So the angels prostrated, all of them together, except for Diabolis who was arrogant and was one of the disbelievers. (38:73-74)

    Who could do greater wrong than those who lie about Allah and deny the truth when it comes to them? Do the disbelievers not have a dwelling place in Hell? (39:32)

    'No, the fact is that My Signs came to you but you denied them and were arrogant and were one of the disbelievers.' (39:59)

    Those who disbelieve will be driven to Hell in companies and when they arrive there and its gates are opened its custodians will say to them, 'Did Messengers from yourselves not come to you, reciting your Lord's Signs to you and warning you of the meeting on this Day of yours?' They will say, 'Indeed they did, but the decree of punishment is justly carried out against the disbelievers.' (39:71)

    So your Lord's Words about those who disbelieve proved true, that they are indeed the Companions of the Fire. (40:6)

    So call upon Allah, making your religion sincerely His, even though the disbelievers detest it. (40:14)

    When he (Musa) brought them the truth from Us they said, 'Slaughter the sons of those who believe with him but let their women live.' The stratagems of the disbelievers are nothing but errors. (40:25)

    They will ask, 'Did your Messengers not bring you the Clear Signs?' They will answer, 'Yes.' They will say, 'Then you call!' But the calling of the disbelievers only goes astray. (40:50)

    But when they saw Our violent force their faith was of no use to them. That is the pattern Allah has always followed with His servants. Then and there the disbelievers were lost. (40:85)

    But if We let him taste mercy from Us after he has suffered hardship, then he says, 'This is my due. I do not think that the Hour is going to come. And if am returned to my Lord, I will definitely find the best reward with Him.' But We will inform those who disbelieve of what they did and make them suffer a ruthless punishment. (41:50)

    He responds to those who believe and do right actions and gives them increase from His favour. But the disbelievers will have a harsh punishment. (42:26)

    Have they not travelled about the earth and seen the final fate of those before them? Allah destroyed them utterly. And those who disbelieve will suffer the same fate. (47:10)

    That is because Allah is the Protector of those who believe and because those who disbelieve have no protector. (47:11)

    Whoever does not believe in Allah and His Messenger-We have prepared a Blazing Fire for the disbelievers. (48:13)

    If those who disbelieve should fight you, they would turn their backs and then find no one to protect or help them. (48:22)

    Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and those who are with him are fierce to the disbelievers, merciful to one another. You see them bowing and prostrating, seeking Allah's good favour and His pleasure. Their mark is on their faces, the traces of prostration. That is their likeness in the Torah. And their likeness in the Gospel is that of a seed which puts up a shoot and makes it strong so that it thickens and grows up straight upon its stalk, filling the sowers with delight-so that by them He may infuriate the disbelievers. Allah has promised those of them who believe and do right actions forgiveness and an immense reward. (48:29)

    Nonetheless they are amazed that a warner should have come to them from among themselves and those who disbelieve say, 'What an extraordinary thing!' (50:2)

    They will emerge from their graves with downcast eyes, like swarming locusts, necks outstretched, eyes transfixed, rushing headlong to the Summoner. The disbelievers will say, 'This is a pitiless day!' (54:7-8)

    Are your disbelievers better than those peoples'? Or have you been given exemption in the Books? (54:43)

    Anyone who cannot find the means must fast for two consecutive months before the two of them may touch one another again. And anyone who is unable to do that must feed sixty poor people. That is to affirm your faith in Allah and His Messenger. These are Allah's limits. The disbelievers will have a painful punishment. (58:4)

    Those who oppose Allah and His Messenger will be subdued and overcome as those before them were also subdued and overcome. We have sent down Clear Signs. The disbelievers will have a humiliating punishment. (58:5)

    You who believe! When women who believe come to you as emigrants, submit them to a test. Allah has best knowledge of their faith. If you know they are believers, do not return them to the disbelievers. They are not lawful for the disbelievers nor are the disbelievers lawful for them. Give the disbelievers whatever dowry they paid. And there is nothing wrong in your marrying them provided you pay them their due. Do not hold to any marriage ties with women who disbelieve. Ask for what you paid and let them ask for what they paid. That is Allah's judgement. Allah will judge between them. Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise. (60:10)

    If any of your wives rejoin the disbelievers, you should have compensation. So repay to those whose wives have gone the dowry they paid out. Have fear of Allah-Him in Whom you believe. (60:11)

    You who believe! Do not make friends of people with whom Allah is angry, who have despaired of the hereafter as the disbelievers have despaired of the inhabitants of the graves. (60:13)

    They desire to extinguish Allah's Light with their mouths but Allah will perfect His Light, though the disbelievers hate it. (61:8)

    It is He Who created you. Yet among you are those who disbelieve and those who believe. Allah sees what you do. (64:2)

    O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and hypocrites and be harsh with them. Their refuge is Hell. What an evil destination! (66:9)

    Who is there who could be a force for you, to come to your support, apart from the All-Merciful? The disbelievers are only living in delusion. (67:20)

    Say: 'What do you think? If Allah destroys me and those with me, or if He has mercy on us, who can shelter the disbelievers from a painful punishment?' (67:28)

    It (the Qur'an) is a cause of great distress to those who disbelieve. (69:50)

    It (the punishment) is for the disbelievers and cannot be averted. (70:2)

    Nuh said, 'My Lord! Do not leave a single one of the disbelievers on earth! If You leave any they will misguide Your servants and spawn nothing but more dissolute disbelievers.' (71:26-27)

    That Day will be a difficult day, not easy for the disbelievers. (74:9-10)

    We have only appointed angels as masters of the Fire and We have only specified their number as a trial for those who disbelieve; so that those who were given the Book might gain in certainty, and those who believe might increase in their faith, and both those who were given the Book and the believers might have no doubt; and so that those with sickness in their hearts and the disbelievers might say, 'What did Allah intend by this example?' In this way Allah misguides those He wills and guides those He wills. No one knows the legions of your Lord but Him. This is nothing but a reminder to all human beings. (74:31)

    We have made ready for the disbelievers shackles and chains and a Searing Blaze. (76:4)

    We have warned you of an imminent punishment on the Day when a man will see what he has done, and the disbeliever will say, 'Oh, if only I were dust!' (78:40)

    That Day some faces will be dust-covered, overcast with gloom. Those are the dissolute disbelievers. (80:40-42)

    So today those who believe are laughing at the disbelievers. (83:34)

    Have the disbelievers been rewarded for what they did? (83:36)

    So bear with the disbelievers-bear with them for a while. (86:17)

    Say: 'Disbelievers! I do not worship what you worship and you do not worship what I worship. Nor will I worship what you worship nor will you worship what I worship. You have your religion and I have my religion.' (109:1-6)

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    Quote Originally Posted by abid786 View Post
    Then surely it's unjust to punish them for not believing becuase it's not their fault they're dumb and blind?
    Its just to punish them. They have decided to reject the proofs. Why have we been bestowed with the 5 senses, the intellect and a heart. To look around and arrive at conclusion.

    This is just what Science is. Arriving at conclusions after observations and deductions. First a scientist observes, then experiments and finally deduces to arrive at a conclusion. If someone comes and rejects Newtons' Law of Motion. Will any one accept it? One will say there is some fault in his observation and experimentation.

    How did Newton formulate the Laws of Motion. He first observed, then experimented and finally deduced the conclusion.

    If your observation is faulty, people will say retortingly,"Are you blind?" and when your experimentation is faulty you will be called dumb, fool etc.

    There is a fault in the Atheist observation and experimentation, hence, they arrive at wrong conclusions

    Why?

    He does not want to accept. Because of this denial he is reprimanded as deaf, dumb and blind. He is out of his senses by rejecting clear proofs.
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