Last edited by PeaceSeeker; 11-04-2012 at 04:50 PM.
Deobandis are not one tiny "group" in Pakistan - the fruits of the efforts of the Ulama of Deoband is easily the most deep and far-reaching compared to any other today. The teachings of the Ulama of Deoband is synonymous with the teachings of the Muhaqqiq 'Ulama and Sufis of our history. They are extremely firm on Sunnah and Shariah, harsh against bid'ah and very balanced in their views. Additionally, they are exemplary in their taqwa.
Deobandis are simply a continuation of authentic scholarship. The elders of the Ulama of Deoband have the qualities of the Salaf, and Allah has blessed us with them in these end times to be a source of hidayah
But I can't be comfortable until I learn the truth regarding these matters
What is Sheikh Nuh Keller and / or Sheikh Yacoubis view on istighatha because I really liked them and I like sunnipath academy (is sunnipath acadamy authentic?) but this fatwa by farraz rabbani has thrown me off totally and I feel ill like I've made a big mistake in leaving dawah salafiya????
إن كان حب آل البيت رفضا فليشهد الثقلان إني رافضي
من أقوال الإمام الشافعي
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The scholars and followers of Darul Uloom Deoband and its associated Darul Ulooms are not a small group and along with the scholars and followers of Darul Nadwa they are the best Sunni Muslims of Indo-Pak and are very, very numerous.
There are associated and derivative Deobandi inspired seminaries in Europe, North America, Southern Africa, Bangladesh and other places.
According to statistics the tiny group is the Salafis, not the Deobandis. and the Salafis are split up into a number of smaller different groups still.
The Deobandis are not a sect they are part of mainstream authentic Sunni Islam, there have been many scholars very close to them in their thoughts in other countries. Sheikh Abdul Fattah Abu Guddah (ra) who you mentioned was one of them. This is simply because all Deobandis are essentially is people who are following a pure authentic version of traditional Sunni Islam as was passed down from the Holy Prophet (saws) in uninterrupted chains of transmission, who avoid bad innovations and accept the wholistic whole of the religion.
As to the things that you have seen amongst other traditional Muslims that have disturbed you, you are right to avoid that stuff but don't be too quick to judge because things are not as simple as they appear.
WHO IS THE AHLUL SUNNAH BECAUSE THESE DIFFERENCES AND SPLITS ARE CRAZY
I think if you ask scholars they will tell you that Ahlus Sunnah are the people following the Ashari Kalam or Maturidi Kalam (or true Athari theology) and either the Maliki, Hanafi, Shafii or Hanbali school of Fiqh.
Most of the splits that you see are only different Fiqh opinions that have allowed some things according to some scholars but not according to others, most of these differences may be mercies from Allah,
If I was you I would follow what your fitra takes you to and be careful not to criticize other Muslims too quickly as their apparent bad innovations that push you from your comfort zones when you see them may be permissible according to the Ijtehad of some great scholars from the past.
Scholars like Nuh Keller and Abdul Hakim Murad and Sheikh Yacoubi are not Deobandis and they have some slightly different views from theirs, but they are all Sunnis and they respect each other because they know that Islam is not monolithic like the Salafis try to make it, their differences are all acceptable differences within Ahlus Sunnah.
You have given up Salafism, maybe now it is time for you to give up the Salafi view that all Muslims have to be exactly the same.
in my experience...you wont find many people who are 100% correct in every aspect
so like for example i will take fiqh stuff from sunnipath...but i dont take their stance on sufism seriously or mawlid
one other thing is if you want to learn about a group...don't look at what their opposition are saying because from all sides people have twisted things....the only way of really knowing about a group is looking at their sources yourself
don't look for a group to fit into...if something seems off to you reject that if its doubtful and stay away from doubtful things....things like istigatha...its not as if you wil be punished for not making it so best to stay away if its doubtful
I believe tasawwuf is important...but at the same time i don't take some of the narrations seriously about all the miracles of the saints etc...i know Allah bestows karamats on whomsoever he wishes and sahabas RA and pious people of the past were shown miracles...but at the same time i don't get to caught up in these stories as if they are an integral part of sufism
Your allegiance should not be with a particular group or scholar..rather it should be with Allah and rasoolAllah best thing for you to do right now is pick an aqeedah from the 3 aqeedahs within ahlus sunnah and a madhab....if your not comfortable with a particular form of sufism don't get involved
I found this website userful in regards to tasawwuf http://www.yunuspatel.co.za/
Chaska laga hai khoon-e-tamana ka is tarha
Us khoon mein nahatay hai hum jaan bhooj kar
khushiyon se rooth jate hai hum jaan bhooj kar
Gham mein khushi manatey hai hum jaan bhooj kar
Can someone explain the concept of what istighatha is and clear it up once and for all, surely this is someone that is an aqeedah issue because only Allah is all knowing and all hearing and why would the angels need to relate the salutations and salams if it is possible for someone to simply state ya so and so from any point in the earth
I understand doing it near the graves within reach but how can anyone make claim to istigatha as a sound practice by ahlus sunnah, who actually believes that this is permissible?? the only person I can find is faraz rabbani on sunnipath that's it.
InshAllah please read the following and inshAllah it will help clear the confusion.
Who are the Ahl as-Sunnah wa'l Jama'ah?
Creating Divisions in Deen
by Moulana Muhammed Karolia
Tawassul (Supplicating Allah through an intermediary).
Calling someone besides Allah for help
Is it Permissible to recite the Salawat known as Durud al-Taj?
Why do some Sunni Ulema – like the Deobandis – prohibit the Mawlid?
Asalamu alaikum brother I reccomend you to listen to dars of Bukhari by Shaykh Abu Yusaf Riyadh Ul Haqq Insha'Allah it will be very benfecial and will remove your confusions about fiqh & aqeedah. www.akacademy.eu
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