URGENT: ex-salafi NEED HELP!!!!

[PeaceSeeker]

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[Rahmaniyyah]

Deobandis are not one tiny "group" in Pakistan - the fruits of the efforts of the Ulama of Deoband is easily the most deep and far-reaching compared to any other today. The teachings of the Ulama of Deoband is synonymous with the teachings of the Muhaqqiq 'Ulama and Sufis of our history. They are extremely firm on Sunnah and Shariah, harsh against bid'ah and very balanced in their views. Additionally, they are exemplary in their taqwa.

Deobandis are simply a continuation of authentic scholarship. The elders of the Ulama of Deoband have the qualities of the Salaf, and Allah has blessed us with them in these end times to be a source of hidayah

[warea]

Asalamu'aleykum

I have been reading some articles by Sheikh Nuh Keller and Sheikh Abdul Hakim Murad and I was convinced by their historical proofs in Aqeedah, and intellectual explanations of the whole dawah salafiya movement, that the salafiya manhaj is deeply flawed and the whole salafiya aqeedah is deeply flawed.

So I've began to accept and realise that and I've started to accept the understanding of just applying tafwidh correctly and leaving the true explanation of what they are to Allah and Allah alone and I've started to accept and simply read and take Imam Tahawis creed as my own, thus being a true Athari aqeedah in nature rather than the confused depressing mess I used to be in when trying to accept and force myself that Allah (wa'l aiythabillah) has literally two right Hands and a Shin and Feet and so on may Allah forgive me for uttering anything wrong against him.

Anyway now that I'm out of salafiya I AM TOTALLY LOST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I HAVE TO MAKE THIS CLEAR!!! I can't explain how confused I am right now, EVERYWHERE I GO there are people from different sects or whatever and I can't find any online videos of sheikhs to watch without them being completely and totally different to each other etc. etc. like one sheikh would be a barelvi who starts shouting Allah HU a hundered times or a video of a huge crowd of guy with green turbans all sitting in a massive room, or people dancing around and falling on the floor, and I see some sheikhs that seem so good but hes just ONE guy and there are tons of others that seem good but they are at complete disagreement

then I find sunnipath and I'm so happy with it then I find some very disturbing stuff about graves etc and then after researching hard I find its not too much of a bad issue then im okay for a bit and happy then I find some EXTREMELY terrifying article by FARRAZ RABANI about ISTIGHATHA and this TOTALLY THROWS ME RIGHT OFF because I can not comprehend how authentic Islam is calling upon other than Allah, then I find that the article references Taqi Usmani then I find out that HE HIMSELF DENIED it and he actually meant that people who wrote "ya so and so" in poems etc are just doing it metaphorically etc.

so now I am totally lost then I find some deobanis that seem good but I become ill and feel like they're just one tiny group of people from Pakistan and I just become filled with sadness and confusion



WHERE IS THE STANDARD REAL ISLAM that is SIMPLE and TRUTHFUL, where is sunni Islam!?!?!?!? I can't seem to find what the true path is???!?! everytime I find something good it turns out to be some sufi orientated group that endorses a whole array of things that NO OTHER group has and they're all in cotrast to each other beecause they all interpret it some other way then soem other group just says its SHRIK and KUFR etc etc etc

Whenever this happens I just think that in reality maybe it was correct to just be following salafiya but lightly, I might just follow a madh'hab and athari aqeedah and try and stick to sunnah way of life for spiritual purification because at least the salafiya seems to be spreading extremely fast,

I mean in my whole community people are literally either very lax / moderate freemixers etc or they are following the salafiya there's like 3 or 4 guys who are deobandi and one guy whos some ex salafi whos a malaki/ashari but these are a rareity anyone now who starts to learn about Islam simply learns and follows salafiya literally

what is the classical orthodox islam to follow!?? I really liked Sheikh Yacoubi and Hamza Yusuf and Bin Bayyah and Abu Ghuddah rahimullah and Suhaib webb but it seems from reading about some of them they either make comments about crazy opinions on sunnipath or one says hadra is forbidden and others endorse barelvis and etc etc so its all a confused jumble of stuff if you get what I mean,

then I see people like sheikh nazim and dr tahur ul qadri and CRAZY SPINNING DANCING FALLING ON THE FLOOR, CRAZY INSANE ACTS at graves, people screaming YA X and X YA X and X whatever and some crazy crazy videos that I find INSANE and they put me off so badly and make me feel so ill

isn't sunni Islam and Ahlus sunnah supposed to be the normalised majority practice of Islam that is garunteed to be the people of Jannah whereas Ahlul bidah is in the hellfire!??! WHO IS THE AHLUL SUNNAH BECAUSE THESE DIFFERENCES AND SPLITS ARE CRAZY

Stick to following what your certain about. Since your convinced on the truth regarding the 4 schools of fiqh and 2 schools of aqeedah, then follow that upto mark. Rest of what you find confusing on legality of isthighasa or hadra, you will come to know its realities as you understand aqeedah and fiqh better. Strengthen your fundamentals before going to secondary issues.

Salam

[PeaceSeeker]

But I can't be comfortable until I learn the truth regarding these matters

What is Sheikh Nuh Keller and / or Sheikh Yacoubis view on istighatha because I really liked them and I like sunnipath academy (is sunnipath acadamy authentic?) but this fatwa by farraz rabbani has thrown me off totally and I feel ill like I've made a big mistake in leaving dawah salafiya????

[TripolySunni]

But I can't be comfortable until I learn the truth regarding these matters

What is Sheikh Nuh Keller and / or Sheikh Yacoubis view on istighatha because I really liked them and I like sunnipath academy (is sunnipath acadamy authentic?) but this fatwa by farraz rabbani has thrown me off totally and I feel ill like I've made a big mistake in leaving dawah salafiya????

Salam 'Aleykum,

Since when is it "impossible" or "forbidden" to take the best of both worlds? Is it too hard for you to accept the Asha'ari 'Aqeedah in terms of the way you understand God, yet at the same time adopt the Salafi position on istighatha?

[Abdul1234]

Brother

The scholars and followers of Darul Uloom Deoband and its associated Darul Ulooms are not a small group and along with the scholars and followers of Darul Nadwa they are the best Sunni Muslims of Indo-Pak and are very, very numerous.

There are associated and derivative Deobandi inspired seminaries in Europe, North America, Southern Africa, Bangladesh and other places.

According to statistics the tiny group is the Salafis, not the Deobandis. and the Salafis are split up into a number of smaller different groups still.

The Deobandis are not a sect they are part of mainstream authentic Sunni Islam, there have been many scholars very close to them in their thoughts in other countries. Sheikh Abdul Fattah Abu Guddah (ra) who you mentioned was one of them. This is simply because all Deobandis are essentially is people who are following a pure authentic version of traditional Sunni Islam as was passed down from the Holy Prophet (saws) in uninterrupted chains of transmission, who avoid bad innovations and accept the wholistic whole of the religion.

As to the things that you have seen amongst other traditional Muslims that have disturbed you, you are right to avoid that stuff but don't be too quick to judge because things are not as simple as they appear.

WHO IS THE AHLUL SUNNAH BECAUSE THESE DIFFERENCES AND SPLITS ARE CRAZY

I think if you ask scholars they will tell you that Ahlus Sunnah are the people following the Ashari Kalam or Maturidi Kalam (or true Athari theology) and either the Maliki, Hanafi, Shafii or Hanbali school of Fiqh.

Most of the splits that you see are only different Fiqh opinions that have allowed some things according to some scholars but not according to others, most of these differences may be mercies from Allah,

If I was you I would follow what your fitra takes you to and be careful not to criticize other Muslims too quickly as their apparent bad innovations that push you from your comfort zones when you see them may be permissible according to the Ijtehad of some great scholars from the past.

Scholars like Nuh Keller and Abdul Hakim Murad and Sheikh Yacoubi are not Deobandis and they have some slightly different views from theirs, but they are all Sunnis and they respect each other because they know that Islam is not monolithic like the Salafis try to make it, their differences are all acceptable differences within Ahlus Sunnah.

You have given up Salafism, maybe now it is time for you to give up the Salafi view that all Muslims have to be exactly the same.

[Aram]

in my experience...you wont find many people who are 100% correct in every aspect
so like for example i will take fiqh stuff from sunnipath...but i dont take their stance on sufism seriously or mawlid

one other thing is if you want to learn about a group...don't look at what their opposition are saying because from all sides people have twisted things....the only way of really knowing about a group is looking at their sources yourself

don't look for a group to fit into...if something seems off to you reject that if its doubtful and stay away from doubtful things....things like istigatha...its not as if you wil be punished for not making it so best to stay away if its doubtful

I believe tasawwuf is important...but at the same time i don't take some of the narrations seriously about all the miracles of the saints etc...i know Allah bestows karamats on whomsoever he wishes and sahabas RA and pious people of the past were shown miracles...but at the same time i don't get to caught up in these stories as if they are an integral part of sufism

Your allegiance should not be with a particular group or scholar..rather it should be with Allah and rasoolAllah best thing for you to do right now is pick an aqeedah from the 3 aqeedahs within ahlus sunnah and a madhab....if your not comfortable with a particular form of sufism don't get involved
I found this website userful in regards to tasawwuf http://www.yunuspatel.co.za/

wallahu alam

[PeaceSeeker]

Can someone explain the concept of what istighatha is and clear it up once and for all, surely this is someone that is an aqeedah issue because only Allah is all knowing and all hearing and why would the angels need to relate the salutations and salams if it is possible for someone to simply state ya so and so from any point in the earth

I understand doing it near the graves within reach but how can anyone make claim to istigatha as a sound practice by ahlus sunnah, who actually believes that this is permissible?? the only person I can find is faraz rabbani on sunnipath that's it.

[*BismikAllahumma*]

InshAllah please read the following and inshAllah it will help clear the confusion.

Who are the Ahl as-Sunnah wa'l Jama'ah?
http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/misc/ahlsunna.htm

Creating Divisions in Deen
by Moulana Muhammed Karolia
http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthrea...isions-in-Deen

Tawassul (Supplicating Allah through an intermediary).
http://www.daruliftaa.com/question?t...nID=q-22324795

Calling someone besides Allah for help
http://www.daruliftaa.com/question?t...nID=q-20215545

Is it Permissible to recite the Salawat known as Durud al-Taj?
http://www.daruliftaa.com/question?t...nID=q-13540795

Why do some Sunni Ulema – like the Deobandis – prohibit the Mawlid?
http://www.daruliftaa.com/question?t...nID=q-20524212

[Abu Suliman]

Asalamu alaikum brother I reccomend you to listen to dars of Bukhari by Shaykh Abu Yusaf Riyadh Ul Haqq Insha'Allah it will be very benfecial and will remove your confusions about fiqh & aqeedah. www.akacademy.eu