Lost in an ocean of doubt and confusion am I
Seeking Your burning beacon light~ Heart Song, Talib al Habib
And thank you for teaching how to handle the word c**p. I twice I earned the good will of moderators on account on incompetence on this point.
Though I can not make out the implication completely but some of the things are agreeable.Some one who is intelectually bankrupt deserve to get beaten and I find it funny when muslim tries to use science as some sort of defence. In most case it is really pathetic, some muslim have fallen for the same trap as that of christian and comes across as stupid as them.
There are some good points with his activity.The likes of Zakir Naik are partly to blame for the rise of stupidy. I suppose the evenglical interpreation of islam is partly to blame.
Whether god overcomes that bad or other way round is a question that is not clear. personally I feel his good points score high over his bad points. Hence I remain an admirer of him. Like yours truly he makes mistakes but they seem to far less.
The trouble is that far too many of them are educated, informed, intelligent as well as prepared. What to do about them?the aeithist are generally stupid and ill informed, ....
You do have a point but the question again remains whether we can leave the field open to them?
In that eventuality many people start believing in their stance - not a pleasant out come. Far too many Muslims are living in the Macaulian frame of mind. We got to worry about them. The way Shia youth is falling head over heels for kufr this Macaulian Muslim population is very vulnerable to the machinations of aggressive kuffar.
Thank you for saying that. Yours truly had always felt very uneasy about this debate technology. It was so unnerving to witness attitudes where a person will adopt a stand in a debate just to win the debate! . Debate is a life style and attitude and culture that is unproductive but it is promoted as desirable. Desirable it is not but one feels very awkward about it when it has to be faced nevertheless. may be we should spend some time in arguing against this and demolishing this fortress of deception.Those who think relegion is a tool to beat others with or for ego trip havn't understood what islam is about.
Why focus on a person - we seem to be pretty inclined to cater to our egos. Unfortunately we do not have even a thread about how to annihilate this ego and how to detach ourselves from our own opinion. far too many time we end up fighting with our dear brothers and sisters for our point of view which is purely subjective and might have no relation with the truth that is Islam.Perhaps your dissapointment has more to do with your ego taking a hammering and if so this should be a wake up call for understanding the deeper nature of islam.
With you on that.Connect yourself to a seassoned qualified scholar and focus on your relation with Allah, the most sublime.
someone giving you polluted water and asking you to drink has a natural side effect. Hence drink water from where it suppose to be drunk from.
I agree there is no point arguing with atheists. Understand their psychology; they engage from a position of kufr, rejection, so their goal in debating with you is to disprove islam and prove themselves right, not to find out the truth.
When you are arguing with an atheist (especially one who has come to attack Islam due to their involvement in some anti-religious
secular fundamentalist group),
as well as benefiting from the fact that the popular media's translation of the the intellectual resources produced by western
academia are done according to secular fundamentalist ideology, they also have well organized intellectual support from funded anti-Islam groups which produce further resources that include lists of 'attack questions' to be used against Muslims.
The fact that these questions are a mixture of attacks based upon mistranslations, misinterpretations, distortions, lies calumnies and very ironically also attacks upon Islam based upon fairytale Israyliat traditions with Judeo Christian origins (as well as attacks over things which Muslims are simply never going to agree with them) isn't always easily perceived by the less knowledgeable brothers and sisters who set themselves up for this Jihad of the tongue and mind.
This is one big reason why I cannot understand why Sunniforum allows self appointed secular fundamentalist missionaries airtime on a forum that is for Sunni Muslims to learn, find out and discuss things?
Last edited by Abdul1234; 24-04-2012 at 02:27 PM.
At the end of the day its what is called narcissistic groups syndrome, which in simple terms is often caused by individuals puffing themselves up by praising and idolizing the group they belong to and attributing to it all good qualities - whilst attributing all bad qualities to other groups who they identify as being different from and inferior to them (which tends to be pretty much everyone). - Some Salafis and some traditional Muslims suffer from this sickness just as much as the various sects of Evangelical Christians and the sulfurous groups of Secular Fundamentalists tend to.
At the end of the day we even have to admit that Muslims are not totally good and Kaffirs are not totally bad, both of them are mixed in their qualities, but the Muslims are on average morally much better and they are the group that Allah will save whilst the kaffirs are those who he will punish.
However, when it comes to Islam itself it is totally good whilst essentially disbelief is totally bad, however this does not mean that all philosophies and ideologies of the disbelievers are totally bad, they are a mixture and we should not deny that which agrees with the truth of Islam from whatever source it comes - therefore we cannot say Communism, Christianity, Humanism or any of these philosophies are totally bad - just that they have some very bad points and some better ones - the Quran and sunnah being the judge over them.