Praying on Kaaba rooftop

[godilali]

The reason it is makruh to pray in the center of a busy path, which is what is meant by "قَارِعَةِ الطَّرِيقِ," is that one would be distracted by the congestion and all the people passing by him during salah.

[al_Zayn]

By the way, the aforementioned hadith, from both the riwayah of al-Tirmidhi and that of ibn Majah, is weak. Refer to the great ghayr muqallid scholar `Allamah `Abd al-Rahman al-Mubarakpuri's famous commentary on the sunan, Tuhfat al-Ahwadhi, for more detail.

I was going to surprise the brother that he was relying on weak hadith with the passage from Tuhfah of al-Mubarakfuri, but anyway here is the link to the passage for the brother:

http://www.islamweb.net/newlibrary/d...k_no=56&ID=264

[mohtashims]

but if you prayed on the roof, what direction would you have to face?

Not sure about rooftop, but inside the kaaba, Maulana Tariq Jameel Saheb d.b was given the priviledge to pray inside the kaaba very recently and he said in one of his speech that he prayed in all 4 directions 2 rakats; each corner of the kaaba.

[mohtashims]

It is makruh in the Hanafi madhab to pray on top of the ka`bah.

From Radd al-Muhtar:
( قَوْلُهُ : كَفَوْقِ كَعْبَةٍ إلَخْ ) أَيْ لِمَا فِيهِ مِنْ تَرْكِ تَعْظِيمِهَا الْمَأْمُورِ بِهِ ، وَقَوْلُهُ وَفِي طَرِيقٍ ؛ لِأَنَّ فِيهِ مَنْعَ النَّاسِ مِنْ الْمُرُورِ وَشَغْلَهُ بِمَا لَيْسَ لَهُ ؛ لِأَنَّهَا حَقُّ الْعَامَّةِ لِلْمُرُورِ ، وَلِمَا رَوَاهُ ابْنُ مَاجَهْ وَالتِّرْمِذِيُّ عَنْ ابْنِ عُمَرَ " { أَنَّ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ نَهَى أَنْ يُصَلَّى فِي سَبْعَةِ مَوَاطِنَ : وَفِي الْمَزْبَلَةِ ، وَالْمَجْزَرَةِ ، وَالْمَقْبَرَةِ ، وَقَارِعَةِ الطَّرِيقِ ، وَفِي الْحَمَّامِ ، وَمَعَاطِنِ الْإِبِلِ ، وَفَوْقَ ظَهْرِ بَيْتِ اللَّهِ } " ا هـ .

It says that it is makruh to pray on top of the ka`bah, because it amounts to a lack of the veneration of the ka'bah that is required from us. It then quotes the hadith that you mentioned.

By the way, the aforementioned hadith, from both the riwayah of al-Tirmidhi and that of ibn Majah, is weak. Refer to the great ghayr muqallid scholar `Allamah `Abd al-Rahman al-Mubarakpuri's famous commentary on the sunan, Tuhfat al-Ahwadhi, for more detail.

JazakAllah for your reply brother godilali, so does that mean the Ghair mukallids have a problem with Imam Abu Hanifa R.E.H considering it makrooh and not Haram.

Anyways, as the hadees is Daeef [and not Maudoo]. Correct me if I am wrong ?

[godilali]

Br. Ahmed_Sharif: I think it would be best for you if you refrained from commenting on ghayr muqallid/ahle hadis related topics. All you do is express hatred against them. At the end of the day, they are your brothers in Islam.

[At Tayyib]

Br. Ahmed_Sharif: I think it would be best for you if you refrained from commenting on ghayr muqallid/ahle hadis related topics. All you do is express hatred against them. At the end of the day, they are your brothers in Islam.

Good advise. It would be more fruitful if we concentrated on personal rectification.

[At Tayyib]

They are my brothers. And I have friends, I meet them regularly. But some one belittles our imams, it cannot be tolerated. It is not mukhaalifath, it is ikhtilaaf from our side. But it is mukhaalifath from other side. We won't disturb them, but some one disturbs us we have enough amunition to defend us.

Br. Attayyib. Our blood boils when our friends who are on madhabs are changed to gair muallidiyath with hatred of imams created in their minds. And all this based on falsehood. There are fitnahs in families, in masjids.
We never visit them to change to our madhab.

This rqsnnt; whatever may be the topic of discussion, he jumps in between with a hadeeth to demonstrate "see your imam opposes this hadeeth". Let other knowledgeable scholars handle them. We ignorants will not enter the discussion.

You are dealing with people who do not value any logical or intellectual discussion. Leave them to their own devices. Our task is to present the proofs in a manner which will pave the way for their guidance. But first we need to put checks in place to arrest their advances.

[At Tayyib]

Br. Attayyib. Our blood boils when our friends who are on madhabs are changed to gair muallidiyath with hatred of imams created in their minds. And all this based on falsehood. There are fitnahs in families, in masjids.
We never visit them to change to our madhab.

No need to spoil your blood.

The best way to tackle such people is to remove their mental block. Before presenting any evidence, present an analogy which will fire up their intellect. Then present the proof. such an approach will be the most effective.

I would request you to listen to this short clip - I'm the Boss coz I know Arabic by Shaikh Amin Safdar Okarvi

how effectively he removes the mental block of the questioner's and then answers to their objections.

[mohtashims]

You are dealing with people who do not value any logical or intellectual discussion. Leave them to their own devices. Our task is to present the proofs in a manner which will pave the way for their guidance. But first we need to put checks in place to arrest their advances.

The Ghair Mukallids are just <= 4 % of the ummah as the wikipedia says.

The only concern is that they are targeting the more educated professionals of our ummah and I get many emails and posts by them. Brother godilali and other scholars are doing a good job clarifying what we [naives] report to them.

[rqsnnt]

They are my brothers. And I have friends, I meet them regularly. But some one belittles our imams, it cannot be tolerated. It is not mukhaalifath, it is ikhtilaaf from our side. But it is mukhaalifath from other side. We won't disturb them, but some one disturbs us we have enough amunition to defend us.

Br. Attayyib. Our blood boils when our friends who are on madhabs are changed to gair muallidiyath with hatred of imams created in their minds. And all this based on falsehood. There are fitnahs in families, in masjids.
We never visit them to change to our madhab.

This rqsnnt; whatever may be the topic of discussion, he jumps in between with a hadeeth to demonstrate "see your imam opposes this hadeeth". Let other knowledgeable scholars handle them. We ignorants will not enter the discussion.

Brother ahamed_sharif. How r u? Hope well by the grace of Allah

Our blood boils when our friends who are on madhabs are changed to gair muallidiyath with hatred of imams created in their minds

Calm down brother. When ur blood boils then say I seek Refuge with Allah from Satan[Bukhari :Volume 4, Book 54, Number 502]. Don't give chance iblish to get ride on ur shoulder.

Brother this is a perfect example of FRUSTRATION of IMPACT of Salafi dawa in ur community, u may agree or disagree with me.

This rqsnnt; whatever may be the topic of discussion, he jumps in between with a hadeeth to demonstrate "see your imam opposes this hadeeth". Let other knowledgeable scholars handle them. We ignorants will not enter the discussion

Why r u mentioning me by "This"? Is there any problem if i show a hadeeth?