The Calamity of Tasawwuf

**dr.ati** · 06-04-2012, 06:42 PM

My views about Tasawwuf have never been hidden. I tried to reconcile my stance with the traditional Deobandi stance for a long time , however i failed. Here is my critique of Tasawwuf. I will welcome any corrections or Islaah in my views. It should not be taken as criticism on some school of thought , rather it should be read as my humble and sincere opinion. http://dratifyousafzai.blogspot.com/...of-sufism.html

**abdulwahhab** · 06-04-2012, 07:16 PM

Are you not painting with too wide a brush and implicating the majority of the ulama of the past with it? Also, have you read other books by Shaykh Ibn Arabi

or read any of the commentaries on the Fusus? It is a book that isn't meant to be read without preparation. Since Shaykh Ibn Arabi

isn't here to defend himself, should we not be more careful and understanding? He may have made some mistakes and even many Sufis have attacked him (some Sufis have even called him deviant or even kaafir), but he himself warns those without good understanding from reading the Fusus.

And bringing up Ml. Qasim Nanotvi

and disparaging him - and then trying to associate Muslims with the Qadianis does much to discredit you, regardless of what points you may raise. For an explanation, read here: http://www.as-suffa.org/item/tahzir-...of-takfir.html

**NNoor** · 06-04-2012, 07:30 PM

So has the author mastered classical Arabic in order for him to read and comment on these works?

**dr.ati** · 06-04-2012, 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by NNoor

So has the author mastered classical Arabic in order for him to read and comment on these works?

I don't claim to have mastered Arabic but i have checked my tranlsation through a Shaykh of Jamia. I have tried my level to best to preserve the context and meaning of the narrations. I will welcome any corrections.

**dr.ati** · 06-04-2012, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by abdulwahhab

Are you not painting with too wide a brush and implicating the majority of the ulama of the past with it? Also, have you read other books by Shaykh Ibn Arabi

or read any of the commentaries on the Fusus? It is a book that isn't meant to be read without preparation. Since Shaykh Ibn Arabi

isn't here to defend himself, should we not be more careful and understanding? He may have made some mistakes and even many Sufis have attacked him (some Sufis have even called him deviant or even kaafir), but he himself warns those without good understanding from reading the Fusus.

And bringing up Ml. Qasim Nanotvi

and disparaging him - and then trying to associate Muslims with the Qadianis does much to discredit you, regardless of what points you may raise. For an explanation, read here: http://www.as-suffa.org/item/tahzir-...of-takfir.html

I had many references at my hand but i have avoided giving references of the scholars who have done some service for Islam. My main focus has been on "pure" Sufis whose main identity is Sufism and they have not done much in the field of other traditional discourses. I have read Fusus al Hikam in three languages and have studied it in Arabic with a Shaykh. Still i have tried to reconcile my translations with William chittik's english translation of Fusus.

As for as Maulana Nanatovi (May Allah forgive his mistakes) is concerned , i think he has erred in Tahzir Un nass. He should not have gone there and should have retracted from this Risalah. It has served no good. The response he has given to the query related to that Athar Ibn e Abbas radhiallahu anhu was unneeded.

**Umar_Ahmed** · 06-04-2012, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by dr.ati

I had many references at my hand but i have avoided giving references of the scholars who have done some service for Islam. My main focus has been on "pure" Sufis whose main identity is Sufism and they have not done much in the field of other traditional discourses. I have read Fusus al Hikam in three languages and have studied it in Arabic with a Shaykh. Still i have tried to reconcile my translations with William chittik's english translation of Fusus.

As for as Maulana Nanatovi (May Allah forgive his mistakes) is concerned , i think he has erred in Tahzir Un nass. He should not have gone there and should have retracted from this Risalah. It has served no good. The response he has given to the query related to that Athar Ibn e Abbas radhiallahu anhu was unneeded.

You haven't replied to any of my comments. NOT interested in asking Allah who is right? You have more faith in your own ideas and less faith in Allah's guidance?

As for as Maulana Nanatovi (May Allah forgive his mistakes) is concerned , i think he has erred

He can err, but not you?

**dr.ati** · 06-04-2012, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by Umar_Ahmed

You haven't replied to any of my comments. NOT interested in asking Allah who is right? You have more faith in your own ideas and less faith in Allah's guidance?

Brother you have copy pasted that stuff about Imam Ahle Sunnat Imam Ahmed Ibn Hanbal ra and Shaykh ul Islam Ibn Taymiyyah ra. Kindly get a copy of "The friends of Allah and the friends of Shaytan" by SHaykh Ul Islam Ibn Taymiyyah ra to know about his views regarding Tasawwuf.

**Abdul1234** · 06-04-2012, 09:16 PM

Originally Posted by dr.ati

Brother you have copy pasted that stuff about Imam Ahle Sunnat Imam Ahmed Ibn Hanbal ra and Shaykh ul Islam Ibn Taymiyyah ra. Kindly get a copy of "The friends of Allah and the friends of Shaytan" by SHaykh Ul Islam Ibn Taymiyyah ra to know about his views regarding Tasawwuf.

brother what do you want people to do copy out things by hand?

the fact that someone remembers a useful quote that is on another website does not make it any less true that Ibn Taymiyyah (ra) said these things.

I have owned quite a pile of Ibn Taymiyyah's books at one time or another and I can remember him making similar statements in other books.

if you want me to start copying and pasting things that you wouldn't like about Ibn Taymiyyah (ra) I can think of a few more places from which I can do it InshaAllah

the truth is that you have made various assertions that slander many good Muslims and give a totally distorted view of Sufism and you have done this using the lies of the orientalist.

you have not answered any specific criticism that anyone has made about any specific part of your article. instead you have resorted to the type of argumentation that one may see in the playground

**mh16388** · 06-04-2012, 07:30 PM

please read 'consequences of debasing the auwliya-Allah' by dr. M. ismail memon...published by dar-ul-ishaat (karachi).
how does the 'calamity' of tasawwuf affect the Muslim ummah anyway?is it greater than calamity of modernism or salafism?if yes then how?if no then why the critique?

**dr.ati** · 06-04-2012, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by mh16388

please read 'consequences of debasing the auwliya-Allah' by dr. M. ismail memon...published by dar-ul-ishaat (karachi).
how does the 'calamity' of tasawwuf affect the Muslim ummah anyway?is it greater than calamity of modernism or salafism?if yes then how?if no then why the critique?

I don't think so that those i have castigated were "Aulia". Some unnecessary importance and specification has been given to this word though. Shaykh ul Islam rahimahullah has written "Al Furqan bain Aulia e Rahman wa Aulia e Shaitan" and its a good read.
Modernism,secularism are indeed a Fitna of this age . We should focus on them as well but Tasawwuf has been a bigger calamity in my view than these fitnas.