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    Quote Originally Posted by Idil_ View Post
    Didn't Prophet Muhammad pbuh allow a Christian delegation from Najran to pray at his Mosque?

    And didn't Allah s.w.t say 'churches and synagogues are places where His Name is glorified' so what is all this hate ?


    May be you will also accuse Rasulullah when on his deathbed he ordered that the Yahood and the Nasaara be expelled from Jazeeratul Islam???



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    Can some knowledgeable, wise, intelligent, educated, composed, erudite brother or sister reply to my question about the Christian Najran delegation praying at the Prophet's mosque pbuh.

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    (1) Brother abd7861 has given very precise and relevant info. Exactly what you are asking for. Of course it does not suit you opinion. And Islam is not about catering to our opinion, whims, desires and wishes. Islam is about submission. Islam means to submit your will to the Will of Allah (SWT). This entails striving till all Deen belongs to Allah (SWT) - not to Nasarah.

    (2) Those episodes of accommodation are from early days. You proceed further and not backward in time.

    (3) Your statement about chilling is patronizing - it is not appreciated. Ditto - wise, intelligent, educated, composed, erudite brother or sister.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Idil_ View Post
    Can some knowledgeable, wise, intelligent, educated, composed, erudite brother or sister reply to my question about the Christian Najran delegation praying at the Prophet's mosque pbuh.

    Allah yijzeekum.


    Actually this is interesting. I want to find out more about this. Do you have a reference so that I may be able to give the reference when asking a scholar?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sudoku View Post


    Actually this is interesting. I want to find out more about this. Do you have a reference so that I may be able to give the reference when asking a scholar?
    Salaam alaikum,

    Also respected sister, if you get the opportunity to consult a scholar, could you ask them the following two questions;

    1) is it haraam by consensus to allow non-muslims to pray inside a masjid?
    2) is it haraam by consensus for muslims to pray a place of operational (batil) worship, ie, church, synagogue, etc?

    No one here seems to know. Jazakillah khair.


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    ^ will do so. It did come to my mind that perhaps there may be a leeway for ahlul kitaab. will post when I receive a reply.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sudoku View Post
    ^ will do so. It did come to my mind that perhaps there may be a leeway for ahlul kitaab. will post when I receive a reply.
    Jazakillah khair sister, it is very important. There is a big difference between ijma'a and jamhur, I really want to know if there is ijma'a on this. I'm also very sure that these two things have been discussed at length by the fuqaha. May Allah guide us to truth and save us from our own opinions.


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    Quote Originally Posted by naqshbandiosmanli View Post
    May Allah guide us to truth and save us from our own opinions.
    May Allah guide us to truth and save us from our own opinions.

    This is worth writing in gold.


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    I would like to clarify a grave misconception regarding the statement that the Christian Najraan delegation prayed inside Musjidun Nabawi. They did not pray inside the Musjid. They were not invited to pray. They were coming of their own accord to make a treaty with Rasulullah as they saw the power of Islam rising incrementally across Arabia.

    When they came they dressed themselves in their finest clothes and came in pomp. Rasulullah did not return their greetings and refused to speak to them. This he did twice. After consulting with the Sahaabah they were told to return with their traveller's clothes on. This they did and only then did Rasulullah give them audience once they came with humility.

    They then debated with Rasulullah and he answered each of their points comprehensively. Following this came the incident of Mubaahalah which has been explained. Please bear in mind that far from appeasing it was a confrontation which the Najraani delegation backed out of knowing inside their hearts the truth of Rasulullah and that competing in supplication would result in sure destruction. They then agreed to give the Muslim state of which Rasulullah was the Head a yearly tribute in order to be safe.

    I would like somebody to now sincerely compare this episode with the episode being discussed in this thread.

    I would also like somebody to provide me of one instance where members of another religion were allowed to commit their Shirk inside a Musjid during the time of the Sahaabah, Tabieen and Tabi-oon.



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    This event is mentioned in the THE QURAN in Surah Al-e-imraan verses 59-63.
    The christians Najaraan were NOT invited to allow them to pray in the masjid. But they were invited for MUBAHALA. It is where religious disputes are settled by praying to Allah to cast CURSE on the LIARs(ie each other). Well liberals twist these events to suit their propaganda.


    Here is the tafseer of the Ayahs from Ma'ariful Quran.

    Surely, the case of Isa, in the sight of Allah, is like the case of 'Adam. He created him from dust, then said to
    him, "Be", and he came to be. [59] The truth is from your Lord. So, do not be of those who doubt. [60]
    So, if someone argues with you in this after what has come to you of the knowledge, say, "Come, let us call
    our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves, then pray and invoke the
    curse of Allah upon the liars!
    ' [61]This is, indeed, the true narration. And there exists no
    god but Allah. And Allah is surely the All-Mighty, the All-Wise. [62]
    So, should they turn back, Allah is all-aware of the mischievous.[63]


    The event of Mubahala and the refutation of heretics.

    The background of these verses is that the Holy Prophetsent an ultimatum to the Christians of Najran which included three options in
    the order given below:
    1. Accept Islam, or
    2. Pay jizya (a levy on free non-Muslims under Muslim rule), or
    3. Get ready for a war.

    After mutual consultation, the Christians sent a delegation to the Holy Prophet consisting of Shurahbil 'Abdullah b. Shurahbil and Jabbar ibn Fayd to the Holy Prophet . They came and began their talks on religious issues. When they, in their effort to prove the godhood of Jesus, took their debate to the extremes of dispute, that was the moment this verse of Mubahala was revealed. Thereupon, the Holy Prophet invited the Christians to join in the Mubahala confrontation (a form of resolving disputes by praying to Allah, the details of which shall shortly be discussed) and quite readily, he himself came out with Sayyidah Fatima(ra), sayyidna 'Ali (rA) and their sons, Hasan and Husain (ra), along with him all set for the Mubahalah. Looking at this, Shurahbil said to his two comrades: 'Look, you already know that he is a prophet of Allah and getting into a Mubahalah confrontation with a prophet means certain death and destruction for us. So find out some other way to get out of this fix.' His comrades asked him as to what he thought it could be. Shurahbil said: 'I think the best solution is to opt for a truce as advised by the prophet'. So, on this everybody agreed. As a result, the Holy Prophet made peace by fixing a levy on them which was accepted by them as well. (Tafseer ibn Kathir, V. 1).

    The Meaning of Mubahalah
    As stated earlier, verse 61 has instructed the Holy Prophet to invite his opponents (Christians) to Mubahalah which literally means 'mutual prayer' but in the terminology of Islamic Shari'ah it refers to a particular form of resolving religious disputes. When the argumentations from both sides fail to resolve a religious issue, the parties jointly pray Allah to cast His curse on whichever of the two parties is false. Since curse means 'moving someone far away from the divine mercy', -and moving far away from mercy is being close to divine wrath-- therefore, the essence of the meaning is: Wrath be on the liar. As such, whoever is the liar shall face the evil consequences whereupon the truth will become evident before the disbelievers as well. Invocation in this manner is called 'Mubahalah'.

    Originally, the Mubahalah can be carried out by the disputants only; they can simply get together and pray. It is not necessary that all their family members are assembled. However, if all the family members participate in the Mubahalah, it becomes more effective. (That is why the Holy Prophet was instructed to invite the family members of both sides).
    Last edited by amr123; 16-04-2012 at 05:05 PM.
    Role of Imam Nawawi in Shafi'i Madhab: http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...Usool-and-Fiqh


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