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    Question Fiqh Rulings - Need Answers

    Can some please help with explanation to the below ?

    Reading and holding the Quran in prayer

    ”If someone prays holding a dog in his hands, his prayer is not Fasid (invalid)” (Durul Mukhtar, Misr vol 1 p 153)

    ”If someone in prayer watches the private part of a woman, is prayer is not broken” (“Maraqi Al Falah”, Misr vol 1 p 200)

    ”If someone watches at book of Fiqh during prayer, is prayer is not broken by Ijma (consensus)” (Alamgiri vol,1 p 106)

    ”If someone prays and holds the Quran and reads from it, is prayer is Fasid (invalid)” (Durul Mukhtar vol 1 p 641)

    While in “Sahih Bukhari”, Aishah ordered her slave to lead women while he reading from some papers. Yet Ahnaf say holding a dog, looking at private parts of woman does not break the prayer, but for the Quran, it breaks, and one cannot understand this.


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    Quite interesting fatwas. I want to know explanation too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mohtashims View Post
    Can some please help with explanation to the below ?

    Reading and holding the Quran in prayer

    ”If someone prays holding a dog in his hands, his prayer is not Fasid (invalid)” (Durul Mukhtar, Misr vol 1 p 153)

    ”If someone in prayer watches the private part of a woman, is prayer is not broken” (“Maraqi Al Falah”, Misr vol 1 p 200)

    ”If someone watches at book of Fiqh during prayer, is prayer is not broken by Ijma (consensus)” (Alamgiri vol,1 p 106)

    ”If someone prays and holds the Quran and reads from it, is prayer is Fasid (invalid)” (Durul Mukhtar vol 1 p 641)

    While in “Sahih Bukhari”, Aishah ordered her slave to lead women while he reading from some papers. Yet Ahnaf say holding a dog, looking at private parts of woman does not break the prayer, but for the Quran, it breaks, and one cannot understand this.


    You have a lot of queries about Hanafi fiqh, and no doubt you are receiving your materials from sources who are happy to criticize the Hanafi fiqh left right and center.

    I would request, that you take up these matters with knowledeable Hanafi 'ulama in your area.

    There are few issues to keep in mind when copy pasting such materials:
    1. To examine the context of these quotes.
    2. To examine the validity of these quotes.
    3. To verify whether the stated fatwa is conditional or general.
    4. To verify whether the stated fatwa is the official fatwa within the madhhab.

    If number 4 is not met, then there is basically no need for discussion.
    If number 4 holds true, then 1-3 have to be examined.

    Without the aid of a Mufti, it would be very difficult determine number 4; as for 1-3 that has be verified by a competent 'Alim who has the resources to verify these quoted texts. You may be better off seeking the answers from a darul uloom close to you, rather than posting it online, as very few 'ulama are able to give time in SF these days.




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    Quote Originally Posted by 'Abdullaah View Post


    You have a lot of queries about Hanafi fiqh, and no doubt you are receiving your materials from sources who are happy to criticize the Hanafi fiqh left right and center.

    I would request, that you take up these matters with knowledeable Hanafi 'ulama in your area.

    There are few issues to keep in mind when copy pasting such materials:
    1. To examine the context of these quotes.
    2. To examine the validity of these quotes.
    3. To verify whether the stated fatwa is conditional or general.
    4. To verify whether the stated fatwa is the official fatwa within the madhhab.

    If number 4 is not met, then there is basically no need for discussion.
    If number 4 holds true, then 1-3 have to be examined.

    Without the aid of a Mufti, it would be very difficult determine number 4; as for 1-3 that has be verified by a competent 'Alim who has the resources to verify these quoted texts. You may be better off seeking the answers from a darul uloom close to you, rather than posting it online, as very few 'ulama are able to give time in SF these days.


    JazakAlahuKhair for your response. It makes good sense. The irony is that we do not even have the books mentioned in the claims in the area I am resident forget about a qualified Aalim or Mufti to answer them. I have even know them[our local mosque Aalim] to seek my help provide them books on matter of their concerns.

    I thought some brothers on SF would be able to provide us with an explanation as I have seen them do before.

    Anyways, I will keep trying seeking answers / explanation to the OP from the best resources I can.


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    there are alot of ulama on here, I hope one of them could tell us.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SASLAMS View Post
    there are alot of ulama on here, I hope one of them could tell us.
    Why are we still clueless on this ?

    Below is a list of ulema on this forum.

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    Salam,

    Is there a better place[forum] I can seek answers to the questions raised in this post ?

    This thread seems idle and unanswered for long.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mohtashims View Post
    Salam,

    Is there a better place[forum] I can seek answers to the questions raised in this post ?

    This thread seems idle and unanswered for long.


    There are two issues. There are no problems with asking for clarifications but don't assume that just becasue someone says something it is correct.

    1. ALWAYS ask for FULL/ORIGINAL quotation in Arabic for what is being claimed
    2. Ask on haqqforum as these queries are easier and quicker answered on there as Ulamah/laymen are dealing with these all the time.


    I am not a Maulana so not sure what it says or doesn't but always ask for 1 and it helps us to discuss the matter at hand without wasting time.


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    1. “جَرْوُ كَلْبٍ” refers to puppy. Masla is about lu‘ab (saliva) of the dog. Dog itself is not najas, but the spit is najas. Hence if the najasah exceeds dirham, the shart for salah will be violated and salah will break, and if not then not. Masla mentioned is simply holding the pup, and muheet’s quote explains the masla that we will see if its mouth is open or not. If its open, then the saliva will come out, then if its more than dirham size then no salah, otherwise if the saliva doesn’t touch then salah is valid. This is why the ibarah later on makes tashbeeh with a child whose clothes are najas coming and sitting in the lap of a musalli, then the salah will be correct.

    الدر المختار وحاشية ابن عابدين (رد المحتار) (1/ 208)
    (قَوْلُهُ وَلَا صَلَاةُ حَامِلِهِ إلَخْ) قَالَ فِي الْبَدَائِعِ: قَالَ مَشَايِخُنَا: مَنْ صَلَّى وَفِي كُمِّهِ جَرْوٌ تَجُوزُ صَلَاتُهُ، وَقَيَّدَهُ الْفَقِيهُ أَبُو جَعْفَرٍ الْهِنْدُوَانِيُّ بِكَوْنِهِ مَشْدُودَ الْفَمِ. اهـ.
    وَفِي الْمُحِيطِ: صَلَّى وَمَعَهُ جَرْوُ كَلْبٍ أَوْ مَا لَا يَجُوزُ الْوُضُوءُ بِسُؤْرِهِ قِيلَ لَمْ يَجُزْ وَالْأَصَحُّ أَنَّهُ إنْ كَانَ فَمُهُ مَفْتُوحًا لَمْ يَجُزْ؛ لِأَنَّ لُعَابَهُ يَسِيلُ فِي كُمِّهِ فَيُنَجِّسُ لَوْ أَكْثَرَ مِنْ قَدْرِ الدِّرْهَمِ وَلَوْ مَشْدُودًا بِحَيْثُ لَا يَصِلُ لُعَابُهُ إلَى ثَوْبِهِ جَازَ؛ لِأَنَّ ظَاهِرَ كُلِّ حَيَوَانٍ طَاهِرٌ لَا يَتَنَجَّسُ إلَّا بِالْمَوْتِ، وَنَجَاسَةُ بَاطِنِهِ فِي مَعِدَتِهِ فَلَا يَظْهَرُ حُكْمُهَا كَنَجَاسَةِ بَاطِنِ الْمُصَلِّي. اهـ.
    وَالْأَشْبَهُ إطْلَاقُ الْجَوَازِ عِنْدَ أَمْنِ سَيَلَانِ الْقَدْرِ الْمَانِعِ قَبْلَ الْفَرَاغِ مِنْ الصَّلَاةِ كَمَا هُوَ ظَاهِرُ مَا فِي الْبَدَائِعِ حِلْيَةٌ. وَأَشَارَ الشَّارِحُ بِقَوْلِهِ وَلَوْ كَبِيرًا إلَى أَنَّ التَّقْيِيدَ بِالْجَرْوِ لِصِحَّةِ التَّصْوِيرِ بِكَوْنِهِ فِي كُمِّهِ كَمَا فِي النَّهْرِ وَشَرْحِ الْمَقْدِسِيَّ، لَا لِمَا ظَنَّهُ فِي الْبَحْرِ مِنْ أَنَّ الْكَبِيرَ مَأْوَاهُ النَّجَاسَاتُ فَلَا تَصِحُّ صَلَاةُ حَامِلِهِ، فَإِنَّهُ يُرَدُّ عَلَيْهِ كَمَا قَالَ الْمَقْدِسِيَّ أَنَّ الصَّغِيرَ كَذَلِكَ.
    ثُمَّ الظَّاهِرُ أَنَّ التَّقْيِيدَ بِالْحَمْلِ فِي الْكُمِّ مَثَلًا لِإِخْرَاجِ مَا لَوْ جَلَسَ الْكَلْبُ عَلَى الْمُصَلِّي فَإِنَّهُ لَا يَتَقَيَّدُ بِرَبْطِ فَمِهِ، لِمَا صَرَّحَ بِهِ فِي الظَّهِيرِيَّةِ مِنْ أَنَّهُ لَوْ جَلَسَ عَلَى حِجْرِهِ صَبِيٌّ ثَوْبُهُ نَجِسٌ وَهُوَ يَسْتَمْسِكُ بِنَفْسِهِ أَوْ وَقَفَ عَلَى رَأْسِهِ حَمَامٌ نَجِسٌ جَازَتْ صَلَاتُهُ
    2. masla is simply about amal katheer and qaleel. Katheer will break salah, qaleel will not. Looking at the private part is amal qaleel hence salah will not break, although the khushu’ and quality of salah and condition of heart is a different discussion. The masla is not tacking that aspect.

    حاشية الطحطاوي على مراقي الفلاح شرح نور الإيضاح (ص: 342)
    "ولا تفسد" صلاته "بنظره إلى فرج المطلقة" أو الأجنبية يعني فرجها الداخل "بشهوة في المختار" لأنه عمل قليل
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    حاشية الطحطاوي على مراقي الفلاح شرح نور الإيضاح (ص: 342)
    "يعني فرجها الداخل" نص على المتوهم قوله: "بشهوة" حد الشهوة أن تنتشر الإلة أو يزداد انتشارها إن كانت منتشرة قبل وفي المرأة والشيخ الفاني ميل القلب وقوله في المختار مقابله القول بالفساد به
    3.
    الفتاوى الهندية (1/ 101)
    وَفِي الْجَامِعِ الصَّغِيرِ الْحُسَامِيّ لَوْ نَظَرَ فِي كِتَابٍ مِنْ الْفِقْهِ فِي صَلَاتِهِ وَفَهِمَ لَا تَفْسُدُ صَلَاتُهُ بِالْإِجْمَاعِ. كَذَا فِي التَّتَارْخَانِيَّة
    The mas’ala does not need explanation. The issue being discussed is reading from the book during the salah which is amal katheer. Morover, reading from mushaf is mukhtalaf feeh because it has talqeen (taking aid) from outside salah as well. Whilst one is praying and there happens to be a book of fiqh, or for that matter any text, and a person looks at it and understands in his mind what it says, this understanding will not be regarded as kalam (speech), hence the salah will not break. This is the masla.
    If he utters whats in the book, then that is speech, and hence breaker of salah.
    The same hindiya mentions another scenario of this masla which is more plausible. It is right after above text.
    الفتاوى الهندية (1/ 101)
    إذَا كَانَ الْمَكْتُوبُ عَلَى الْمِحْرَابِ غَيْرَ الْقُرْآنِ فَنَظَرَ الْمُصَلِّي إلَى ذَلِكَ وَتَأَمَّلَ وَفَهِمَ فَعَلَى قَوْلِ أَبِي يُوسُفَ - رَحِمَهُ اللَّهُ تَعَالَى - لَا تَفْسُدُ وَبِهِ أَخَذَ مَشَايِخُنَا وَعَلَى قِيَاسِ قَوْلِ مُحَمَّدٍ - رَحِمَهُ اللَّهُ تَعَالَى - تَفْسُدُ. كَذَا فِي الذَّخِيرَةِ وَالصَّحِيحُ أَنَّهَا لَا تَفْسُدُ صَلَاتُهُ بِالْإِجْمَاعِ. كَذَا فِي الْهِدَايَةِ وَلَا فَرْقَ بَيْنَ الْمُسْتَفْهِمِ وَغَيْرِهِ عَلَى الصَّحِيحِ
    4.
    The masla is same as before. The issue is holding the quran, looking in it, flipping pages etc. as a whole will be considered amal katheer, while reading from it will be talqeen. Otherwise merely looking in the mushaf and understanding the ibarah of the ayah itself is not mufsid of salah. The same fatawa hindiya as above mentions this masla
    الفتاوى الهندية (1/ 101)
    وَلَوْ نَظَرَ إلَى مَكْتُوبٍ هُوَ قُرْآنٌ وَفَهِمَهُ لَا خِلَافَ لِأَحَدٍ أَنَّهُ يَجُوزُ. كَذَا فِي النِّهَايَةِ
    The mas’ala in Shami is as follows:
    الدر المختار وحاشية ابن عابدين (رد المحتار) (1/ 624)
    (قَوْلُهُ أَيْ مَا فِيهِ قُرْآنٌ) عَمَّمَهُ لِيَشْمَلَ الْمِحْرَابَ، فَإِنَّهُ إذَا قَرَأَ مَا فِيهِ فَسَدَتْ فِي الصَّحِيحِ بَحْرٌ (قَوْلُهُ مُطْلَقًا) أَيْ قَلِيلًا أَوْ كَثِيرًا، إمَامًا أَوْ مُنْفَرِدًا، أُمِّيًّا لَا يُمْكِنُهُ الْقِرَاءَةُ إلَّا مِنْهُ أَوْ لَا (قَوْلُهُ لِأَنَّهُ تَعَلُّمٌ) ذَكَرُوا لِأَبِي حَنِيفَةَ فِي عِلَّةِ الْفَسَادِ وَجْهَيْنِ. أَحَدُهُمَا: أَنَّ حَمْلَ الْمُصْحَفِ وَالنَّظَرِ فِيهِ وَتَقْلِيبِ الْأَوْرَاقِ عَمَلٌ كَثِيرٌ. وَالثَّانِي أَنَّهُ تَلَقُّنٌ مِنْ الْمُصْحَفِ فَصَارَ كَمَا إذَا تَلَقَّنَ مِنْ غَيْرِهِ. وَعَلَى الثَّانِي لَا فَرْقَ بَيْنَ الْمَوْضُوعِ وَالْمَحْمُولِ عِنْدَهُ، وَعَلَى الْأَوَّلِ يَفْتَرِقَانِ وَصَحَّحَ الثَّانِي فِي الْكَافِي تَبَعًا لِتَصْحِيحِ السَّرَخْسِيِّ؛ وَعَلَيْهِ لَوْ لَمْ يَكُنْ قَادِرًا عَلَى الْقِرَاءَةِ إلَّا مِنْ الْمُصْحَفِ فَصَلَّى بِلَا قِرَاءَةٍ ذَكَرَ الْفَضْلِيُّ أَنَّهَا تُجْزِيهِ وَصَحَّحَ فِي الظَّهِيرَةِ عَدَمَهُ وَالظَّاهِرُ أَنَّهُ مُفَرَّعٌ عَلَى الْوَجْهِ الْأَوَّلِ الضَّعِيفِ بَحْرٌ
    The only concern left hereafter is the farq between this haml and the haml of the jarw (puppy) in the first quote. The farq is that in this case haml is not the only action rather haml, nazr, qira’a, taqlebul awraq, talaqqun etc all are there, where as in the case of puppy it is the puppy being in the kumm (sleeves). The sleeves in those days used to have pockets, like we have on the sides. So the puppy was not being carried rather placed in the pocket in the sleeve. It is a hypothetical scenario. Going into ruku’, one would have to move the mushaf somewhere, again necessitating another amal while in case of puppy there is no movement required. Only thing is the puppy ought not be drooling!

    I have wrote this much in less than 20 min. So please forgive all grammatical and typographical mistakes. Also much of the words of Arabic have not been translated, since it is an indepth discussion. And a claimant on Arabic ibaraat should not request translations. Perhaps someone with more time can write it out better.

    Finally, I have written above as per my limited understanding and if there is error in fiqhi aspect of it, it is my own shortcoming.



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    I must say the answer is in great detail. you show a true understanding of fiqh sheikh Abu Hajira. even though im a shafi' I realy apreciate it when guys can take their madhahib & put it in practice & extract the true hikmah from it even though the opinion from my madhab is different.
    could you tell me one thing though- is does amal katheer break the salah, you made mention of turning pages as amal katheer but you didnt mention breaking salah by it. amal katheer breaks the salah for shafi's but moving the fingers isnt considered katheer, just as blinking & lip movement also dont break the salah.


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