Why dont we Follow Imam Jafar Saadiq (A) or Imam Zaid Shaheed (A) ?

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Asalamu Aleikum , i have a question but please dont get me wrong i am pure ahluss-sunnah but this question is really disturbing me . We follow our 4 Imams who undoubtedly expert in matters of Fiqh , but Imam Jafar Saadiq (A) and Imam Zaid Shaheed (A) were even more expert than our 4 imams , and Imam Zaid shaheed was even more expert in matters of Fiqh than Imam Jafar Saadiq (a) so why dont we follow them ? and what about zaidi shias they say they follow teachings of Imam Zaid shaheed (A) do they really follow him ? and i have noticed zaidi shias beleive in the first three caliphs and our mother Sayeda Ayesha (R)

and Jafari shias say they follow Fiqh of Imam Jafar SAadiq (A) is it true ?

[Sulaiman84]

You could take the question a step further and ask: Why isn't anyone following Imams Awza'i, Sufyan Ath-Thauri, Tabari etc? Because either they, or their students did not completely codify their madh-hab, thus causing it to eventually die out. A person can't practice complete deen with an incomplete source of masa'il. I've seen in aqeedah and fiqh books that when their positions are in accordance to the 4 madhaahib, then it's accepted, otherwise not.

[AbuMuslimKhorasani]

Moderators please help

Asalamu Aleikum , i have a question but please dont get me wrong i am pure ahluss-sunnah but this question is really disturbing me . We follow our 4 Imams who undoubtedly expert in matters of Fiqh , but Imam Jafar Saadiq (A) and Imam Zaid Shaheed (A) were even more expert than our 4 imams , and Imam Zaid shaheed was even more expert in matters of Fiqh than Imam Jafar Saadiq (a) so why dont we follow them ? and what about zaidi shias they say they follow teachings of Imam Zaid shaheed (A) do they really follow him ? and i have noticed zaidi shias beleive in the first three caliphs and our mother Sayeda Ayesha (R)

Walaikum Salam,

Ok but how are you going to follow them? What source are you going to use?

and Jafari shias say they follow Fiqh of Imam Jafar SAadiq (A) is it true ?

Jafari Shias don't follow the fiqh of Imam Jafar Sadiq (ra) but rather they follow bunch of liars from Qum who fabricated narrations and attributed them to Imam Jafar (rah) who was living in Madina.

[Rifai]

Bismillah
As-salamu ´alaykum,

As a reply to what brother Jadeed wrote:

1. The opinions of al-Imam Zayd (radiya'Allahu ´anhu) were documented and preserved. If one doubts the authenticity of the Majmu´, one may turn towards al-Amali of Ahmad bin ´Isa bin Zayd, compiled by Imam Muhammad bin Mansur al-Muradi. While the Usul might not have been fully explained by al-Imam Zayd himself in writing, it was laid down by the scholars following him, as with the Maliki- and Hanafi schools. Furthermore,

2. The books of the later Zaydiyya are filled with "Sunni Hadeeth". The earlier authorities had their own asaneed, mostly through the descendants of the Household, radiya'Allahu ´anhum. As most of the Ahadith are to be found within the major books of Ahlus-Sunnah, later Zaydi scholars started to quote them from the Sunni books, as the majority (Sunnis) were more familiar with these sources. It is more practical when displaying what narrations the Zaydi Ijtihadat are based on.

3. Yes, the Zaydiyya's aqa'id become close to the Mu´tazila, however this is not to discredit them in their works of Usul al-Fiqh and its' Furu´, for otherwise the major works in Usul of Ahlus-Sunnah will have to be discredited (in addition to some works in Furu´), as they were written by Mu´tazila, or under heavy Mu´tazili influence. Likewise, the Aqidah of many of the Hanabilah is also problematic to most Ash´ari- and Maturidi scholars.

As for Imam Ja´far bin Muhammad (radiya'Allahu ´anhu), it may prove more problematic. However, that is not to say that none of his opinions have been properly preserved. For they have, both in Al-Amali of Imam Ahmad bin ´Isa bin Zayd (rahimahu'Allah), and the Musannafs of Abu Bakr ibn Abi Shaybah and ´Abdur-Razzaq, radiya'Allahu ´anhuma.

Wa Allahu a´lam.

[Aseatic]

Bismillah
As-salamu ´alaykum,

As a reply to what brother Jadeed wrote:

1. The opinions of al-Imam Zayd (radiya'Allahu ´anhu) were documented and preserved. If one doubts the authenticity of the Majmu´, one may turn towards al-Amali of Ahmad bin ´Isa bin Zayd, compiled by Imam Muhammad bin Mansur al-Muradi. While the Usul might not have been fully explained by al-Imam Zayd himself in writing, it was laid down by the scholars following him, as with the Maliki- and Hanafi schools. Furthermore,

2. The books of the later Zaydiyya are filled with "Sunni Hadeeth". The earlier authorities had their own asaneed, mostly through the descendants of the Household, radiya'Allahu ´anhum. As most of the Ahadith are to be found within the major books of Ahlus-Sunnah, later Zaydi scholars started to quote them from the Sunni books, as the majority (Sunnis) were more familiar with these sources. It is more practical when displaying what narrations the Zaydi Ijtihadat are based on.

3. Yes, the Zaydiyya's aqa'id become close to the Mu´tazila, however this is not to discredit them in their works of Usul al-Fiqh and its' Furu´, for otherwise the major works in Usul of Ahlus-Sunnah will have to be discredited (in addition to some works in Furu´), as they were written by Mu´tazila, or under heavy Mu´tazili influence. Likewise, the Aqidah of many of the Hanabilah is also problematic to most Ash´ari- and Maturidi scholars.

As for Imam Ja´far bin Muhammad (radiya'Allahu ´anhu), it may prove more problematic. However, that is not to say that none of his opinions have been properly preserved. For they have, both in Al-Amali of Imam Ahmad bin ´Isa bin Zayd (rahimahu'Allah), and the Musannafs of Abu Bakr ibn Abi Shaybah and ´Abdur-Razzaq, radiya'Allahu ´anhuma.

Wa Allahu a´lam.

I find this the most learned post on this thread.

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Assalamu alaykum

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This man falcon is under taqiyyah: Kindly go through all his post and threads.

what makes you say that i am under taqiyya ? i asked a simple question . because i really do wonder why we dont follow Imam Jafar SAadiq (A) and Zaid (A) ?

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what makes you say that i am under taqiyya ? i asked a simple question . because i really do wonder why we dont follow Imam Jafar SAadiq (A) and Zaid (A) ?

You keep asking the kind of questions that seem to indicate you have some serious problems in iman... I suggest you get off the internet and learn your religion properly

[Jadeed]

what makes you say that i am under taqiyya ? i asked a simple question . because i really do wonder why we dont follow Imam Jafar SAadiq (A) and Zaid (A) ?

In order to follow someone, their principles (usul) must have been codified, either by themselves (Imam Shafi'i in his Risala and his students' elaborations thereafter) or by their students (Imam Abu Hanifa, Imam Ahmad, Imam Malik), along with their verdicts on masa'il (issues) being preserved.

Imam Jafar al-Sadiq And Imam Zaid did not have their teachings properly codified. If you look at Zaidi books, there are a few issues with them.
1) Most of their hadeeth are just Sunni hadeeth.
2) They are Mu'tazilah, and Mu'tazilah is an evil creed according to the Ash'aris and Maturidis so you don't exactly want to be following that.

Rather, if you look at the books which have narrations from them, tons of it is ridiculous stuff that they never actually said. How are you going to sift out the actual verdicts of these great Imams on the numerous masa'il?
On the other hand, let's compare this to Imam Ahmad .

The great compiler of the mad'hab, Imam Abu Bakr al-Khallal , collected all the verdicts of Imam Ahmad into a compendium. This compendium remained with the Hanbalis for years, and then in the end it was lost, but right now, all the opinions of the Hanbali mad'hab can be somehow traced back to Imam Ahmad because of how many narrations from him there are.

So following Imam Ahmad and the Hanbali mad'hab is possible, but following Imam Jafar al-Sadiq is not, because his principles and opinions on masa'il were not codified.

[abdulwahhab]

This is the same question as why don't we follow Rasoolullah directly from the ahadeeth.

There is no such thing as the Ja'fari madhhab because it died out. The Shi'as do not follow the Ja'fari madhhab - they merely fabricated ahadeeth and made it part of their religion.

[wellwisher]

Assalamu alaykum

Moderators!

This man falcon is under taqiyyah: Kindly go through all his post and threads.

I too agree.