Evolution Theory as a Powerful Weapon?

[NNoor]

This thread has lost all direction. Too many conversations going on simultaneously, and each clamoring to be heard.

I suggest anyone who wants to understand evolution give http://talkorigins.org/ a thorough read.

[malone]

I was talking to StopS. He is intelligent, energetic and irreverent. You have only one third of that. And neither you nor StopS stand a chance when it comes to Dr Ati. Being a sinner I do deserve all the insults that come my way but please release all the air you want to release and be done with it. I am completely interested in Dr Ati-StopS conversation. I do not enjoy unnecessary conversation with non-mahram. Kindly be on your way leave me to mine.

LOL. Why don't you be on your way if non mahrem offend you so much, this board has brothers only section too you sound you will be more happy there.

And I have read your posts and see that you are in no position to comment on anyone else's intelligence!!

And I will continue to point out Dr Ati's 'mistake' especially when people keep telling me 'no one has a chance because of his great knowledge'. Yeah so far his knowledge has not proved to be very impressive. But it's ok, it's only a 'mistake' he made, a mistake that undermined his whole argument and exposed the quality of this thinking.

[Maripat]

LOL. Why don't you be on your way if non mahrem offend you so much, this board has brothers only section too you sound you will be more happy there.

I was - till you jumped in my conversation with StopS and Dr Ati.

And I have read your posts and see that you are in no position to comment on anyone else's intelligence!!

Next you'll claim that you understand them.

And I will continue to point out Dr Ati's 'mistake' especially when people keep telling me 'no one has a chance because of his great knowledge'.

If there is a mistake at all you must have pointed it out already - why spend the rest of life on it?

Yeah so far his knowledge has not proved to be very impressive.

Please do not say later that I did not warn you against any attempts at fathoming his intelligence.
This is a conundrum that even angels are still at work to come in terms with.

But it's ok, it's only a 'mistake' he made, a mistake that undermined his whole argument and exposed the quality of this thinking.

Do you mean the post where you spelled explosion as explotion . But that is a wrong spelling!

[Abu Zakir]

I do not support Christian creationism. However Evolution Theory has many problems with it, one is that it is naturalistic meaning it sees no role for a God in the process of Evolution. The processes occur naturally it is asserted. Random mutations do not occur by chance if you believe that God had made them occur when He Wills, this is not what Atheist believer proclaim.

It is not a conspiracy theory to assert that companies like Microsoft received Government funding and this helped them to gain market dominance, the process is called the military industrial complex and it is called cartelization. regulatory capture, regulatory barriers to entry, mercantalism, state capitalism, crony capitalism etc. These things can be studied and researched evidence found...there are links posted in this thread that give references to this evidence. Just because I mentioned Microsoft and Apple only it does not mean the other companies are not helped by the government....the whole computer industry was fostered and built by the military industrial complex, Cold War and the War on Terror 'politics'.

You seem to naively believe the government propaganda that there are free markets and competition in so called State Capitalist countries.

http://understandingpower.com/chap3.htm
For sources on the Defense Department's role in fostering high-technology industries, see for example, Kenneth Flamm, Targeting the Computer: Government Support and International Competition, Washington: Brookings Institution, 1987, especially ch. 3 (on the crucial role of the Pentagon in the computer industry); Laura D'Andrea Tyson, Who's Bashing Whom?: Trade Conflict in High-Technology Industries, Washington: Institute for International Economics, 1992. An excerpt (pp. 88-90):

In its early years, up to 100 percent of the [semiconductor] industry's output was purchased by the military, and even as late as 1968 the military claimed nearly 40 percent. In addition, there was a derived defense demand for semiconductor output from the military's large procurement of computer output throughout the 1960s. Direct and indirect defense purchases reduced the risk of investment in both R&D and equipment for semiconductor producers, who were assured that a significant part of their output would be sold to the military. The willingness and ability of the U.S. government to purchase chips in quantity at premium prices allowed a growing number of companies to refine their production skills and develop elaborate manufacturing facilities. . . .

The government continued to pay for a large share of R&D through the early 1970s, providing roughly one-half of the total between 1958 and 1970. As late as 1958, federal funding covered an estimated 85 percent of overall American R&D in electronics. . . . [T]he military, which remained the largest single consumer of leading-edge components throughout the 1960s, was willing to buy very expensive products from brand-new firms that offered the ultimate in performance in lieu of an established track record.

[faizol]

LOL. Why don't you be on your way if non mahrem offend you so much, this board has brothers only section too you sound you will be more happy there.

And I have read your posts and see that you are in no position to comment on anyone else's intelligence!!

And I will continue to point out Dr Ati's 'mistake' especially when people keep telling me 'no one has a chance because of his great knowledge'. Yeah so far his knowledge has not proved to be very impressive. But it's ok, it's only a 'mistake' he made, a mistake that undermined his whole argument and exposed the quality of this thinking.

tsk tsk tsk... and you claim you're a researcher?

[malone]

I was - till you jumped in my conversation with StopS and Dr Ati.

This is an open forum for a reason. Anything private can be kept to personal messages. I and anyone else can join in as they please.

Next you'll claim that you understand them.

You are right - I am sorry. Your posts are too intellectual for me to understand.

If there is a mistake at all you must have pointed it out already - why spend the rest of life on it?

Not IF there was a mistake... there WAS a mistake. Accept it. It is important because immediately when the mistake was shown he said the evidence did not matter and he did no research it in the first place! And you keep telling others that no one stands a chance against someone like this? Pfft I don't think so. If it was StopS or me who had made the mistake and then pretended it didn't matter you would treat it with seriousness also because it shows what kind of thinking one follows and allows.

Please do not say later that I did not warn you against any attempts at fathoming his intelligence.

LOL. No danger of that.

Do you mean the post where you spelled explosion as explotion . But that is a wrong spelling!

I am sorry but I did not grow up in UK so my written english is not very good. But this is a mistake of spelling, and you say it is the same as a mistake about one of the fundamental aspects of evolution IN A THREAD ABOUT EVOLUTION where he is telling us of his KNOWLEDGE in the subject? If this was a thread about spelling you would have a point!!

You had better move on, I don't want you to fall into haram by talking to a non mahrem.

[NNoor]

Social Darwinism may have been a useful propaganda tool for the robber barons of the 1920s, but nobody buys it anymore. Case in point: the entire Occupy movement. People know that we don't have totally free markets. The government does subsidize certain corporations and financial institutions, there are tax loopholes that the corporations abuse, lobbying allows those with wealth to exercise undue influence over the government and enact legislation to bring themselves more wealth. More and more people are becoming aware of this every day. But as far as culprits go, MS and Apple are way down the list.

I really don't think Dawkins comes into the picture.

[AbuFatimah]

They are successful because they managed to get the government to protect them and give them (welfare) or government contracts. Free markets are supposed to work where firms and corporations compete against each other freely, the US market is not a free market and never has been, the government has been captured by the rich corporations who use it to protect themselves from competition through laws (aka regulatory capture), or they get plenty of free money from the government. We cannot say they are good products and that is why they are successful because competitors have not been allowed to freely compete against the big corporations which as I have said have been sheltered by the government.

If you open up a company and the government gives you money that your competitors do not get, or they make laws that allow you to gain dominance and prevent competitors from entering the market....it is not because you are a good business person that you would be successful.

free market is an idea the west promotes to stop the rest of the world catching up with them. They dont practice it themselves but its pretty handy getting wealthy countries to allow all their work to be run by private western businesses rather than strong state owned assets

[AbuFatimah]

p.s. the theory of evolution is nonsense.

Ask a well educated biolgist how the black widow spider came to volunteer itself to be eaten by its mate and you will laugh. They think the whole in built system in the animal world that keeps nature ticking all evolved. Birds evolved to build nests, think of all the amazing things you see in nature that allows the animal world to continue functioning autonomously and they think all of these things "evolved" into these animals

[Maripat]

This is an open forum for a reason. Anything private can be kept to personal messages. I and anyone else can join in as they please.



You are right - I am sorry. Your posts are too intellectual for me to understand.



Not IF there was a mistake... there WAS a mistake. Accept it. It is important because immediately when the mistake was shown he said the evidence did not matter and he did no research it in the first place! And you keep telling others that no one stands a chance against someone like this? Pfft I don't think so. If it was StopS or me who had made the mistake and then pretended it didn't matter you would treat it with seriousness also because it shows what kind of thinking one follows and allows.



LOL. No danger of that.



I am sorry but I did not grow up in UK so my written english is not very good. But this is a mistake of spelling, and you say it is the same as a mistake about one of the fundamental aspects of evolution IN A THREAD ABOUT EVOLUTION where he is telling us of his KNOWLEDGE in the subject? If this was a thread about spelling you would have a point!!

You had better move on, I don't want you to fall into haram by talking to a non mahrem.

Thank you for everything. Now only one point remains.
Why is a Muslim siding with a theory, or the supporters thereof, that has more probability of being kufr than Islam?