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    Default Was Black Stone (Hajr Aswad) removed after the Prophet Muhammad :saw:

    Assalamu Alaikum,

    Does anyone know whether the black stone (Hajr Aswad) was removed after the Prophet Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wassalam.

    I have recently read this that the Hajr Aswad was removed in 317AH by Qaramitah..All I could find were the below two answers

    http://*************/en/ref/45643 & http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/in...waId&Id=156575

    Any other scholars who affirm this preferably deobandi ?..

    Wassalamu Alaikum
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    Default Re: Was Black Stone (Hajr Aswad) removed after the Prophet Muhammad :saw:

    Quote Originally Posted by mffhere View Post
    Assalamu Alaikum,

    Does anyone know whether the black stone (Hajr Aswad) was removed after the Prophet Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wassalam.

    I have recently read this that the Hajr Aswad was removed in 317AH by Qaramitah..All I could find were the below two answers from salafi websites

    http://*************/en/ref/45643 & http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/in...waId&Id=156575

    Any other scholars who affirm this preferably deobandi ?..

    Wassalamu Alaikum
    Sidi.
    This is a historical question, not a fiqhi one.
    I wonder what it has to do with the Salafi scholars and our scholars.
    Mujhse bekas ki dawlat pe laakhon durood, Mujhse bebas ki quwwat pe laakhon salaam,
    Hum ghareebon ke aaqa pe behad durood, Hum faqeeron ki sarwat pe laakhon salaam.


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    Default Re: Was Black Stone (Hajr Aswad) removed after the Prophet Muhammad :saw:

    JazakAllah brother..Yes true, maybe that wasn't needed to be mentioned (I've removed it).

    I managed to find it on only those sites and could not find it elsewhere and I needed the view of any of our scholars about this part of history.


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    Default Re: Was Black Stone (Hajr Aswad) removed after the Prophet Muhammad :saw:

    Yes , Hajr e aswad was taken by Karamiyyah a deviant sect for quiet a few years.


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    Default Re: Was Black Stone (Hajr Aswad) removed after the Prophet Muhammad :saw:

    Quote Originally Posted by Nazar-Ba-Qadam View Post
    Yes , Hajr e aswad was taken by Karamiyyah a deviant sect for quiet a few years.
    and they broke it too. its held together by its surround now.

    one more Ismaili crime.


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    Default Re: Was Black Stone (Hajr Aswad) removed after the Prophet Muhammad :saw:

    who else caused the breaking of the stone before this?


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    Default Re: Was Black Stone (Hajr Aswad) removed after the Prophet Muhammad :saw:

    Quote Originally Posted by Abdul1234 View Post
    and they broke it too. its held together by its surround now.

    one more Ismaili crime.
    Kindly do provide with any reference to this and on hajr-e-aswad being taken away from makkah.

    JazakAllah Khairan..


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    Default Re: Was Black Stone (Hajr Aswad) removed after the Prophet Muhammad :saw:

    Asalamu Alaikum

    Anyone with any scholarly reference apart from the those in post # 1..

    Wassalamu Alaikum


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    Default Re: Was Black Stone (Hajr Aswad) removed after the Prophet Muhammad :saw:

    Quote Originally Posted by mffhere View Post
    Kindly do provide with any reference to this and on hajr-e-aswad being taken away from makkah.

    JazakAllah Khairan..
    Assalamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullah

    Try the Ta-Ha Publishers chronology of Islamic history for a good Islamic English language source on it.

    prior to that you may like the description on Wikipedia

    The Stone has suffered desecrations and significant damage over the centuries. It is said to have been struck and smashed to pieces by a stone fired from a catapult during the Umayyad siege of Mecca in 756. The fragments were rejoined by 'Abd Allah ibn Zubayr using a silver ligament.[12] In January 930 it was stolen by the Qarmatians, who carried the Black Stone away to their base in Hajar (modern Bahrain). According to Ottoman historian Qutb al-Din, writing in 1857, Qarmatian leader Abu Tahir al-Qarmati set the Black Stone up in his own mosque, the Masjid al-Dirar, with the intention of redirecting the Hajj away from Mecca. However, this failed, and pilgrims continued to venerate the spot where the Black Stone had been.[13]

    According to historian Al-Juwayni, the Stone was returned twenty-three years later, in 952. The Qarmatians held the Black Stone for ransom, and forced the Abbasids to pay a huge sum for its return. It was wrapped in a sack and thrown into the Friday Mosque of Kufa, accompanied by a note saying "By command we took it, and by command we have brought it back." Its abduction and removal caused further damage, breaking the stone into seven pieces.[9][14][15] Its abductor, Abu Tahir, is said to have met a terrible fate; according to Qutb al-Din, "the filthy Abu Tahir was afflicted with a gangrenous sore, his flesh was eaten away by worms, and he died a most terrible death."[13]


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Stone

    that's a warning for any devil that thinks to do it again


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