Women deficient in intelligence?

[Zahed]

lol what is that even supposed to mean?

I've just shown a paradigm. Women do their work relentlessly (whether defficient in intelligence or not) but men.............

[byellow200]

Mufti Zarwali Khan praise the female students in one of his dars.

[Bird]

Jazakallah Khair for all of your replies

Good posts so far....! Is it really genuinely true that a males brain is larger and heavier than a females or is it some kind of a....... joke?

Yes Sister, it is true in most cases. Men are naturally larger than women. But it is certain parts of the brain that need to be larger for more intelligence, not the brain as a whole. It all depends on how Allah swt develops us.

When Allah (SWT) has told us in the Noble Qur'an that man and woman are equal then we should not conclude that one is deficient in some facility unless otherwise stated by Allah (SWT) Himself. Also when Allah (SWT) says in the same Verse that man has slight preference over woman then also the conclusion does not change because this latter phrase is a tie breaker.

If we agree on that then there is at least one benefit. This shall lift the pressure from women to prove themselves equal to man. Just think of the slogan that is so common today - what is it than man can do woman can not do? Or the news item like another bastion of man falls - first all female battalion commissioned.

I wholeheartedly agree with this post.

Just because someone does well in school does not mean they are intelligent, there are different types of intelligences (emotional, social, intellectual, and or good with their dexterity hands, eyes, art etc.). Men today have largely become effeminate and have lost their masculinity so it is not a fair comparison today when comparing men with women. Men have become feminised because men have had less to do with bringing up male children, and women have made the men too soft. Some men over compensate their femininity my adopting a jahil macho culture. Where they think it is manly to beat women and to be mean towards them. The feminization of men may also be a consequence of drinking water etc. being contaminated with female hormones due to the use of the birth control pill etc. Maybe some people have suggested this is the meaning of the hadith which states that there will be 50 women to any 1 man towards the end of time.

I respectfully disagree. I do not think that all men in general are feminized, while many more are effeminate compared to the past, I do not think the majority of them are. This is an insult to all men. I do despise machismo and riya (showing off), but I do not think it is linked with feminization of males as much as misogyny.

I think this might be because a woman walking in front of the man during prayer may distract the man sexually, not because the woman is similar in status to a donkey or dog. Though of course many humans including men and women are like donkeys and dogs sometimes. Imam Al Gazali said each human has a 'pig' and a 'dog' as part of their nafs and only very few people gain control of these two aspects of their own character and those of us who become enslaved to these often look like donkeys and dogs in terms of character.

I do agree with this, but my Imam told me that anything passing in front of a muslim, behind the sutra, invalidates his salah.

Women aren't deficient in any thing. Some girls are ...blah blah

Not to sound rude, but I specifically asked that no misogynists or hyper-feminists ruin my thread. You, sir, are beyond hyper.

[NNoor]

Actually, according to the ahnaf at least, salah is not invalidated by anything passing in front (meaning it does not have to be repeated).

[mmb786]

Women aren't deficient in any thing. Some girls are smarter than boys and some boys are smarter etc. It is that in Muslim countries , where women are oppressed , girls don't get the same opportunities as guys do. Girls don't get to go out of the home and interact with the outer wide world. It leads to the "under-development" of confidence in girls. Mostly girls are shy and guys , who get to go outside and experience the world more, form a way bigger perspective on life naturally and when they talk to girls ...Their feeling is like "duhh you don't even know anything what you're talking about. In real world , things doesn't work that way" and hence guys think that they are "smarter" because they know more.

If you put guys in the roles of girls in Muslim societies...I bet girls will come out to be the one with more "aqaal" than guys. Its natural...more experience..better perspective on things.

Plus , Girls are emotional while guys are ambitious. Probably thats why you'll see more guys in the field of politics , technology-innovation etc....it doesn't necessarily mean that guys are "superior" in intelligence.

Yay yay yay Bro. Please don't talk nonsense. Women are not stupid at all but Nabi finish tell us that they, i mean we (ahem) are Naqis-u-Aqal. Finish and klaar! And He only spoke the truth - and nothing but the truth so we know that there is something slightly wrong with our minds and are perfectly happy with it that way ....
So yes! you can call it quits trying to convince us that we are more superior in intelligence than men coz we won't believe you.

[malone]

so we know that there is something slightly wrong with our minds and are perfectly happy with it that way

Speak for yourself.

[malone]

From my personal experience:

Women are generally better students and harder-working than men. However, I believe men are better at logical reasoning, and can get away with studying less (in general). Usually, I've noticed that if a man and a woman have the same results in school, the woman has to work harder for it. But since most men are lazy bums (like me), women tend to get better grades.

I'm not sure what the scholars have said about the hadith, but when I read this:

The women enquired: “Why so, O Allah’s Messenger?”
He replied: “This is because you invoke too many curses and are ungrateful to your husbands. (Further he observed) I have not seen anyone excel women in knocking out the reason of a very shrewd man even though they themselves are deficient in reason and religion.”

I was immediately able to relate. As any man who has ever had an argument with a woman can attest, you ladies are all too happy to throw logic out the window. We can never win an argument with you, because you refuse to acknowledge when you're wrong. And if we try to appeal to logical arguments to prove our point, it only enrages you further. Not only this, you ladies often play dirty in an argument, resorting to emotional blackmail and bringing up mistakes we made ages ago, even though it has nothing to do with the argument.

I don't say this out of spite (I actually find it kind of funny); just sharing my own personal experience.

First of all muslim societies create a culture where women are almost totally dependent on men for everything, most scholars say woman should not work outside of home (so they don't have their own income), their family and husband can dictate who their friends are, or even can't leave home unless it is necessary, and limiting their life experience to the extreme. Women are told their whole lives not to be too smart, and not more intelligent than the men around them and that the female must always be soft and caring and easily emotional. Once you've trained this helpless creature and called her a Woman then you throw it back in her face when it doesn't go your way.

The above is the women you've chose to have around you and you should understand that this is your environment. My experience is very different Most of the men I know in my family cannot stand it when a women is correct, no matter how logical they present their argument the men get more and more frustrated the more and more wrong they are. Then they just yell BUS! I'VE MADE A DECISION and he goes off and acts like he is inthe right. But at least I know my experience is limited and I would not think all men are like this.

As for women being deficient in deen and intellect - when people quote this hadith by it self to me its one more reason not to remain muslim in a religion where i am not respected. Did it also occur to you that that hadith does not refer to the emotionality of women, but instead how men are weak when it comes to women?

[ahmad12]

As for women being deficient in deen and intellect - when people quote this hadith by it self to me its one more reason not to remain muslim in a religion where i am not respected. Did it also occur to you that that hadith does not refer to the emotionality of women, but instead how men are weak when it comes to women?

So you have left Islam because you do not like what it says? How logically fallacious that decision is. If Islam is proven to be true, then everything that comes with it is true regardless of how you feel about it. An alcoholic cannot reject Islam on the basis that Islam prohibits alcohol (just because he himself is addicted to it and cannot understand the idea why prohibition of alcohol would be commanded by God). He must submit his will to God.

It's like someone refusing to believe that they failed their Maths test just because they don't like the idea of failing their maths test. You do not like the idea or the words of this hadith and so you reject Islam totally because of it, rather than realising that since Islam is from God (and we can prove this), the hadith MUST be true and you MUST accept the words of the Messenger of God because they MUST be true

And it is ironic that you apostate based on emotions and not reason and yet you dislike a hadith that talks about such a deficiency of women... you just proved our point

[NNoor]

First of all muslim societies create a culture where women are almost totally dependent on men for everything, most scholars say woman should not work outside of home (so they don't have their own income), their family and husband can dictate who their friends are, or even can't leave home unless it is necessary, and limiting their life experience to the extreme. Women are told their whole lives not to be too smart, and not more intelligent than the men around them and that the female must always be soft and caring and easily emotional. Once you've trained this helpless creature and called her a Woman then you throw it back in her face when it doesn't go your way.

The above is the women you've chose to have around you and you should understand that this is your environment. My experience is very different Most of the men I know in my family cannot stand it when a women is correct, no matter how logical they present their argument the men get more and more frustrated the more and more wrong they are. Then they just yell BUS! I'VE MADE A DECISION and he goes off and acts like he is inthe right. But at least I know my experience is limited and I would not think all men are like this.

As for women being deficient in deen and intellect - when people quote this hadith by it self to me its one more reason not to remain muslim in a religion where i am not respected. Did it also occur to you that that hadith does not refer to the emotionality of women, but instead how men are weak when it comes to women?

Not all Muslim societies are like that. Those are not the kinds of women I have "chosen" to surround myself with. The women I know are educated, have good careers, and yet, many if not most of them behave the way I described. There happens to be a growing body of evidence for a physiological basis to my observation as well. Just look up the research on estrogen and its effects on cognitive function and memory. The menstrual cycle may affect cognition in women. Estrogens play an interesting role in human cognition.

In any case, I stated more than once I was making a lighthearted generalization of my own experience, which happened to be confirmed by both men and women responding in this thread. I did not once use the word "emotional" when referring to women. "Emotional blackmail" is a real tactic. "Women's wiles" is also a concept found in many cultures. In my experience, women love to play mind games and can be highly manipulative.

E.g. (not serious)

Wife: [Referring to attractive woman standing nearby] Do you think she's prettier than I am?
Husband: What? No, of course not.
Wife: So you were looking at her!
Husband: No...ah...I...uh-oh.

[ummitaalib]

As for women being deficient in deen and intellect - when people quote this hadith by it self to me its one more reason not to remain muslim in a religion where i am not respected. Did it also occur to you that that hadith does not refer to the emotionality of women, but instead how men are weak when it comes to women?

dear sister please read up more regarding the respect Islam has given women before throwing caution to the winds. As for the hadith do not reject it so as if it was a trivial matter, may Allah subhaanahu wata'ala grant us correct understanding...ask Him for guidance sister and He will put your mind and heart at rest insha Allah.