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    Default Re: Is this a lie upon Imam Bukhari r.e.h ?

    What are your comments about this...

    Imam Bukhari narrated from Mu'ammal as Ishtishhaad in his Saheeh. Imam Bukhari has narrated from him in Ta'leeq form. Therefore, he is Saheeh Ul-Hadeeth according to him. And he has also mentioned Muammal ibn Isma'eel in Al-Tareekh Al-Kabeer (Vol 8, Pg 49) and did not criticize him. It is not conceivable to assume that such an Imam contradicted himself in his books..
    Can you confirm this ? Does this stand as a substantial proof that Imam Bukhari r.eh considered him to be Sahih ? If not why ?


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    Default Re: Is this a lie upon Imam Bukhari r.e.h ?



    My Brother, grab a cuppa, sit in front of the comp, and read through this article thoroughly:

    http://alsonnah.wordpress.com/2012/0...regarding-him/ (The Brother who refuted the article of Sh Zubair Zai is a Salafi himself i think)

    Whatever the case he absolutely annihilated the article on the Tawtheeq of Mu'ammal Bin Isma'eel, the author of the article bought to light quite alot of information.

    Edit:

    These are the words of Abu Hatim as related in Kitab al-Jarh Wa al-Ta'deel:

    [1] the words of Abu Hatim:

    http://www.al-eman.com/%D8%A7%D9%84%...1&d182761&c&p1

    قال سألت أبى عن مؤمل بن إسماعيل فقال صدوق شديد في السنة كثير الخطأ يكتب حديثه

    And the second Jarh.

    http://www.al-eman.com/%D8%A7%D9%84%...1&d182619&c&p1

    وسئل عن مؤمل بن إسماعيل وأبى حذيفة فقال في كتبهما خطأ كثير وأبو حذيفة اقلهما خطأ

    This is probably where the likes of al-Dhahabi and Ibn Hajr got their statement from when they said:

    وقال غيره دفن كتبه فكان يحدث من حفظه فكثر خطأه

    Wallahu A'lam
    Last edited by al_Zayn; 26-05-2012 at 05:36 PM.
    It is reported from Abu Umamah from the Prophet (Sallallahu 'Alayhi WaSallam) that he said:

    اتَّقُوا فِرَاسَةَ الْمُؤْمِنِ ، فَإِنَّهُ يَنْظُرُ بِنُورِ اللَّهِ

    " Fear the Insight of the Believer, for verily he sees with the Light of God"

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    Default Re: Is this a lie upon Imam Bukhari r.e.h ?



    here are the words of al-Tirmidhi in regards to the narrator Mu'ammal from his Sunan:

    سنن الترمذي » كتاب الدعوات » باب منه

    3525 حدثنا محمود بن غيلان حدثنا مؤمل عن حماد بن سلمة عن حميد عن أنس أن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم قال ألظوا بيا ذا الجلال والإكرام قال أبو عيسى هذا حديث غريب وليس بمحفوظ وإنما يروى هذا عن حماد بن سلمة عن حميد عن الحسن البصري عن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم وهذا أصح ومؤمل غلط فيه فقال عن حميد عن أنس ولا يتابع فيه
    It is reported from Abu Umamah from the Prophet (Sallallahu 'Alayhi WaSallam) that he said:

    اتَّقُوا فِرَاسَةَ الْمُؤْمِنِ ، فَإِنَّهُ يَنْظُرُ بِنُورِ اللَّهِ

    " Fear the Insight of the Believer, for verily he sees with the Light of God"

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    Default Re: Is this a lie upon Imam Bukhari r.e.h ?

    Quote Originally Posted by al_Zayn View Post


    1. here are the words of al-Tirmidhi in regards to the narrator Mu'ammal from his Sunan:

    سنن الترمذي » كتاب الدعوات » باب منه

    3525 حدثنا محمود بن غيلان حدثنا مؤمل عن حماد بن سلمة عن حميد عن أنس أن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم قال ألظوا بيا ذا الجلال والإكرام قال أبو عيسى هذا حديث غريب وليس بمحفوظ وإنما يروى هذا عن حماد بن سلمة عن حميد عن الحسن البصري عن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم وهذا أصح ومؤمل غلط فيه فقال عن حميد عن أنس ولا يتابع فيه

    2.

    قال سألت أبى عن مؤمل بن إسماعيل فقال صدوق شديد في السنة كثير الخطأ يكتب حديثه

    And the second Jarh.

    http://www.al-eman.com/%D8%A7%D9%84%...1&d182619&c&p1

    وسئل عن مؤمل بن إسماعيل وأبى حذيفة فقال في كتبهما خطأ كثير وأبو حذيفة اقلهما خطأ

    This is probably where the likes of al-Dhahabi and Ibn Hajr got their statement from when they said:

    وقال غيره دفن كتبه فكان يحدث من حفظه فكثر خطأه

    Can you please translate these to english ?


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    Default Re: Is this a lie upon Imam Bukhari r.e.h ?

    Quote Originally Posted by al_Zayn View Post


    My Brother, grab a cuppa, sit in front of the comp, and read through this article thoroughly:

    http://alsonnah.wordpress.com/2012/0...regarding-him/ (The Brother who refuted the article of Sh Zubair Zai is a Salafi himself i think)

    Whatever the case he absolutely annihilated the article on the Tawtheeq of Mu'ammal Bin Isma'eel, the author of the article bought to light quite alot of information.

    Edit:

    These are the words of Abu Hatim as related in Kitab al-Jarh Wa al-Ta'deel:

    [1] the words of Abu Hatim:

    http://www.al-eman.com/%D8%A7%D9%84%...1&d182761&c&p1

    قال سألت أبى عن مؤمل بن إسماعيل فقال صدوق شديد في السنة كثير الخطأ يكتب حديثه

    And the second Jarh.

    http://www.al-eman.com/%D8%A7%D9%84%...1&d182619&c&p1

    وسئل عن مؤمل بن إسماعيل وأبى حذيفة فقال في كتبهما خطأ كثير وأبو حذيفة اقلهما خطأ

    This is probably where the likes of al-Dhahabi and Ibn Hajr got their statement from when they said:

    وقال غيره دفن كتبه فكان يحدث من حفظه فكثر خطأه

    Wallahu A'lam
    Brother Zayn, find the rebuttle below.

    *********************************


    Really ? The Muhaddiseen considered Mu'ammal bin Isma'eel to be Dhaweef ? Just read the Rebuttal from the Mashaikh..



    1) Ibn Hajar al-Asqalaani (rah.) = He mentioned the hadeeth of Mu'ammal from Ibn Khyzaymah in Fath ul-Baari and did not criticize it. [2/224 Under H. 740]




    2) Imam Dhahabi (rah.) = "He is among the Siqaat" [Al-Abar fi Khabar min Ghabar: 1/274]





    3) Imam Mizzi said: "Imam Bukhaari has narrated from him as Istish-haad" [Tahdheeb al-Kamaal: 18/527]




    4) Yahya ibn Ma'een (rah.): "Thiqah" [Taareekh Ibn Ma'een by Ad-Dauri: 235 Pg 591, Al-Jarah wal Ta'deel by Ibn Abi Haatim: 8/374]




    5) Imam Tirmidhi (rah.) : According to At-Tirmidhi Mu'ammal is Saheeh ul-Hadeeth and Hasan ul-Hadeeth. Declared his narration, Saheeh [415, 672, 1948], Declared his narration, Hasan [6146, (3266)]




    6) Imam Ad-Daraqutni rah.: Authenticated him in his Sunan. [2/186, H. 2261]. Daraqutni wrote about the chain of Mu'ammal from Sufyaan that, it is Saheeh. Meaning he is Saheeh ul-Hadeeth according to him from Sufyaan.




    7) Imam Al-Haakim rah. = Authenticated him in al-Mustadrak on the conditions of Shaikhayn, and Dhahabi followed him in that. [1/384 H. 1418]




    8) Imam Abu Dawood rah. = Abu Ubayd al-Ajurri said, I asked Abu Dawood about Mu'ammal bin Ismaa'eel, thus he described his greatness and raised his status, except that he makes mistake in somethings. [Tahdheeb al-Kamaal: 18/527]





    9) Imam Nasa'ee rah. = He narrated from him in his Sunan (4097, 4589)





    10) Ibn Khuzaymah rah.: Authenticated him. [1/243 H. 479]. The chain of Mu'ammal - AN - Sufyaan is authentic according to Imam Ibn Khuzaymah.



    So, the question I have for you Omair is: Have all these muhaddis made mistake here ? Yes / No.




    First, Read the above narrations from the muhaddiseen that refute your argument.




    Secondly, You have some misunderstandings with regards to the subject of Uloom Al-Hadeeth. And, where is the reference to say these Muhaddiseen declared him Da'eef ?




    Many such Chainless narrations are attributed to the Muhaddiseen are Mardood (rejected)..




    And you are not quoting Shaikh Zubair Ali Zia completely.. Please read the complete rebuttal..





    Discussing the Criticism on Mu'ammal bin Ismaa'eel


    [Taken from: Ithbaat at-Ta'deel fi Tawtheeq Mu'ammal bin Isma'eel]




    The following are the criticisms narrated regarding Mu'ammal:




    1. Abu Haatim ar-Raazi: "Sadooq, Strictly Follows the Sunnah, Makes Abundant Mistakes, Write his narrations" [Kitaab al-Jarah wal Ta'deel: 8/374]




    2. Zikriyah bin Yahya As-Saaji: "He is sadooq, but makes many mistakes. He has errors that would take too long to be mentioned." [Tahdheeb at-Tahdheeb: 10/381]




    * From the author of Tahdheeb at-Tahdheeb (Hafidh Ibn Hajar) to Imam As-Saaji, the chain is not present. Therefore this narration is Mardood.




    3. Muhammad bin Nasar al-Marwazi: "If Muammal alone relates a certain narration then it becomes obligatory to pause and research the hadeeth as he had a bad memory and erred excessively" [Tahdheeb at-Tahdheeb: 10/381]




    * This saying is also chain-less, and is rejected due to going against the Jumhoor.




    4. Ya'qoob bin Sufyaan al-Faarsi: "Muammal is a great sunni shaikh. I heard Sulaiman bin Harb praise him. Our shaikhs would advise us to take his hadeeth, only that his hadeeth are not like the hadeeth of his companions. At times it is obligatory upon the people of knowledge to distance themselves from his narrations as he narrates munkar ahadeeth from even his authentic teachers. This is worse for had he narrated these munkar ahadeeth from weak authorities we would have excused him." [Kitaab al-Ma'rifat wal Taareekh: 3/52]




    * If this Jarah is from Sulemaan bin Harb then Ya'qoob al-Faarsi is among the Admirers (Mothaqeen) of Mu'ammal; and if this Jarah is from Ya'qoob then Sulemaan bin Harb is among the Admirers (mothaqeen) of Mu'ammal.




    5. Abu Zur'ah: "There are a lot of Mistakes in his hadeeth" [Mizaan ul-I'tidaal: 4/228 T. 8949]




    * This saying is also chain-less.




    6. Ibn Sa'd: "He is Thiqah, makes many mistakes." [Al-Tabaqaat al-Kubra by Ibn Sa'd: 5/501]




    7. Daraqutni: "Thiqah, makes many mistakes." [Tahdheeb at-Tahdheeb: 10/381]





    This saying is contradictory to the praise of Imam Daraqutni as he Authenticated him in his Sunan. [2/186, H. 2261]. Imam Daraqutni wrote about the chain of Mu'ammal from Sufyaan that, it is Saheeh. Meaning he is Saheeh ul-Hadeeth according to him from Sufyaan, and it is also not proven from The author of Tahdeeb to Daraqutni. Mu'ammal is not mentioned in the book of Imam Daraqutni "Kitaab ad-Du'afa wal Matrokeen".




    8. Abd ul-Baaqi bin Qaani': "Saalih makes Mistakes" [Tahdheeb at-Tahdheeb: 10/381]




    * This saying is chain-less. Abdul Baaqi bin Qaani himself is criticized of being Mukhtalat. Some have praied him and some have criticized him. [See: Mizaan ul-I'tidaal: 2/532, 533]




    9. Hafidh Ibn Hajar al-Asqalaani: "He is truthful, weak in memory."[Taqreeb at-Tahdheeb]




    10. Imam Bukhaari: "Munkir ul-Hadeeth" [Tahdheeb al-Kamaal: 18/526, Mizaan ul-I'tidaal: 4/228, Tahdheeb at-Tahdheeb: 10/381]




    * In all the three books, this saying is mentioned without any chain and without any reference. Whereas on the contrary to it, Imam Bukhaari has mentioned Mu'ammal in Al-Taareekh al-Kabeer (Vol 8 Pg 49 T. 2107) and did not criticize him. Mu'ammal is also not mentioned in Kitaab ad-Du'afa of Imam Bukhaari, and the narrations of Mu'ammal are present in Saheeh Bukhaari, See: H. 2700, 2083 with Fath ul-Bari. Imam Mizzi said: "Imam Bukhaari has narrated from him as Istish-haad" [Tahdheeb al-Kamaal: 18/527]

    Haafidh Muhammad Taahir al-Maqdasi has written regarding a narrator that: "In fact He (Bukhari) has taken narrations from him in many places as Istish-haad to indicate that he is Siqah"

    This proves that Mu'ammal is Siqah according to Imam Bukhari, not Munkir ul-Hadeeth.




    11. Ahmed bin Hanbal: "Mu'ammal is mistaken." [Sawalaat al-Marwaazi: 53, Mawsoo'ah Aqwaal al-Imam Ahmed: 3/419]




    It is an established saying that, even the Siqah narrators get mistaken (sometimes), therefore if such a narrator is Siqah according to the Jumhoor, then his proven Mistakes are to be left, and in his remaining narrations, he will be Hasan ul-Hadeeth. Moreover see: Qawaid fi Uloom ul-Hadeeth: Pg 275 and others.




    12. The ciriticism of Ibn al-Turkamaani al-Hanafi is rejected due to "Qeela (Passive Form)". [See: Johar al-Naqi 2/30]



    Has Imam Bukhari r.e.h narrated from him in his Sahih collection i.e. in Sahih Bukhari? The answer is No. Why did Imam Bukhari r.e.h avoid Mu'ammal from him Saheeh ?



    In conclusion, Imam Bukhari only mentioned Mu’ammal in Ta’aleeq, not in the main Ahadeeth of Sahih Bukhari. WAllahu A’alam.

    You are wrong again... Read Saheeh Bukhaari = (H. 2700, and according to a raajih qaul H. 7083 in Ta'leeq Form)... The narrations of Mu'ammal are present in Saheeh Bukhaari, See: H. 2700, 2083 with Fath ul-Bari.


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    Default Re: Is this a lie upon Imam Bukhari r.e.h ?

    Quote Originally Posted by mohtashims View Post
    Brother Zayn, find the rebuttle below.

    *********************************

    ...................
    Im sorry but that is not a rebuttal to the article i bought forward, in fact the article i bought forward is a rebuttal to that. The article you bought doesn't even answer anything in the one i posted.
    It is reported from Abu Umamah from the Prophet (Sallallahu 'Alayhi WaSallam) that he said:

    اتَّقُوا فِرَاسَةَ الْمُؤْمِنِ ، فَإِنَّهُ يَنْظُرُ بِنُورِ اللَّهِ

    " Fear the Insight of the Believer, for verily he sees with the Light of God"

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    Default Re: Is this a lie upon Imam Bukhari r.e.h ?

    [1] the words of Abu Hatim:

    http://www.al-eman.com/%D8%A7%D9%84%...1&d182761&c&p1

    قال سألت أبى عن مؤمل بن إسماعيل فقال صدوق شديد في السنة كثير الخطأ يكتب حديثه

    "he (Ibn Abi Hatim) said i asked my father (Abu Hatim) regarding Mu'ammal Ibn Isma'eel and he said Honest, Firm in Sunnah makes abundant mistakes, write his narrations"

    And the second Jarh.

    http://www.al-eman.com/%D8%A7%D9%84%...1&d182619&c&p1

    وسئل عن مؤمل بن إسماعيل وأبى حذيفة فقال في كتبهما خطأ كثير وأبو حذيفة اقلهما خطأ

    "he (Abu Hatim) was asked regarding Mu'ammal Ibn Isma'eel and Abi Huzayfah and he said in their books are many errors while Abu Huzayfah made fewer mistakes of the two."

    This is probably where the likes of al-Dhahabi and Ibn Hajr got their statement from when they said:

    وقال غيره دفن كتبه فكان يحدث من حفظه فكثر خطأه

    "It was also said that he buried his books and narrated by heart and thus erred alot"

    http://www.islamweb.net/newlibrary/d...d=2&startno=15

    سنن الترمذي » كتاب الدعوات » باب منه

    3525 حدثنا محمود بن غيلان حدثنا مؤمل عن حماد بن سلمة عن حميد عن أنس أن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم قال ألظوا بيا ذا الجلال والإكرام قال أبو عيسى هذا حديث غريب وليس بمحفوظ وإنما يروى هذا عن حماد بن سلمة عن حميد عن الحسن البصري عن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم وهذا أصح ومؤمل غلط فيه فقال عن حميد عن أنس ولا يتابع فيه


    Imam Tirmidhi related a hadith where Mu'ammal is in the chain and says: "This is a Ghareeb (strange) hadith and it is not preserved, this narration should be narrated as this; From Hammad Bin Salamah, from al-Hasan al-Basri from Nabi and this is (the) correct (chain), while Mu'ammal made an error in his (sanad) and said; from Humayd from From Anas, he has no Mutab'iah (or anyone following / supporting him up) in this."

    Three things to note from Imam al-Tirmidhi:

    [1] The narrations which were authenticated by al-Tirmidhi (Tahseen and Tas-heeh) only was so because Mu'ammal had authentic Shawahid and Mutabi'ah.

    [2] In cases where there is an addition to the isnad and matn from Mu'ammal then it is rejected by al-Tirmidhi and not preserved.

    [3] Mu'ammal made errors.

    Wallahu A'lam
    Last edited by al_Zayn; 30-05-2012 at 03:02 AM.
    It is reported from Abu Umamah from the Prophet (Sallallahu 'Alayhi WaSallam) that he said:

    اتَّقُوا فِرَاسَةَ الْمُؤْمِنِ ، فَإِنَّهُ يَنْظُرُ بِنُورِ اللَّهِ

    " Fear the Insight of the Believer, for verily he sees with the Light of God"

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    Default Re: Is this a lie upon Imam Bukhari r.e.h ?



    In an article on the "Tawtheeq" of Mu'ammal Ibn Isma'eel it is written:

    16. Haafidh al-Haythami = "Siqah and he has weakness in him." [Majma az-Zawaid: 8/183]

    * Meaning Mu'ammal is Hasan ul-Hadeeth according to Haafidh Haythami.
    To understand this statement of Imam al-Hatyhami (who is regarded as Mutasaahil anyway amongst the Muhaddithun) one has to put it next to the other statements of his regarding the narrator Mu'ammal mentioned in other places of his Majma' al-Zawaa'id;

    http://www.al-eman.com/%D8%A7%D9%84%...25&d88454&c&p1

    8563-وعن أنس قال‏:‏ كانت للنبي صلى الله عليه وسلم ملحفة مصبوغة بالورس والزعفران يدور بها على نسائه فإن كانت ليلة هذه رشها بالماء وإن كانت ليلة هذه رشتها بالماء‏.‏

    رواه الطبراني في الأوسط وفيه مؤمل بن إسماعيل وثقه ابن حبان وضعفه جماعة‏.‏


    al-Haythami narrates a hadith from al-Tabrani's Awsat and says: "It is narrated by al-Tabrani in al-Awsat and in it is Mu'ammal Bin Isma'eel (who is) Thiqah (according to) Ibn Hibban but the Jama'ah (majority) considered him weak".

    In another place he said:

    http://www.al-eman.com/%D8%A7%D9%84%...25&d88488&c&p1

    8917-وعن سفينة أن رجلاً قال‏:‏ يا رسول الله رأيت كأن ميزاناً دلي من السماء فوزنت بأبي بكر فرجحت بأبي بكر ثم وزن أبو بكر بعمر فرجح أبو بكر بعمر،ثم وزن عمر بعثمان فرجح عمر،ثم رفع الميزان‏.‏ فاستهلها رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم خلافة نبوة ثم يؤتي الله الملك من يشاء‏.‏

    رواه البزار وفيه مؤمل بن إسماعيل وثقه ابن معين وابن حبان وضعفه البخاري وغيره،وبقية رجاله ثقات


    He relates a hadith from Musnad al-Bazzar and says: "It was narrated by al-Bazzar, and in it is Mu'ammal Bin Isma'eel, he thiqah according to Ibn Ma'een and Ibn Hibban, but weak according to al-Bukhari and other than him, and the rest of it's narrators are Thiqah"

    In another place:

    http://www.al-eman.com/%D8%A7%D9%84%...**/i125&n65&p1

    8068-وعن كعب بن مالك قال‏:‏ نهى رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم عن المتعة وعن لحوم الحمر الأهلية‏.‏

    رواه الطبراني من طريقين في إحداهما‏:‏ منصور بن دينار وهو ضعيف وفي الأخرى مؤمل بن إسماعيل وثقه ابن معين وضعفه الجمهور‏.‏


    He relates a hadith from al-Tabrani's Awsat and says: "It is related by al-Tabrani from two routes (chains), in the first of the two is Mansur Bin dinar and he is Weak and in the last is Mu'ammal Ibn Isma'eel (he is) Thiqah according to Ibn Ma'een but weak according to the Jamhoor (Majority)"

    And in another place he says:

    http://www.al-eman.com/%D8%A7%D9%84%...25&d88986&c&p1

    ‏"‏إن أول ما خلق الله القلم والحوت‏.‏ قال‏:‏ ما أكتب‏؟‏ قال‏:‏ كل شيء كائن إلى يوم القيامة‏"‏‏.‏ ثم قرأ‏:‏ ‏"‏‏{‏ن والقلم وما يسطرون‏}‏ فالنون‏:‏ الحوت‏.‏ والقلم‏:‏ القلم‏"‏‏.‏

    رواه الطبراني وقال‏:‏ لم يرفعه عن حماد بن زيد إلا مؤمل بن إسماعيل،قلت‏:‏ ومؤمل ثقة كثير الخطأ وقد وثقه ابن معين وغيره وضعفه البخاري وغيره،وبقية رجاله ثقات



    He again relates a hadith from al-Tabrani's Awsat and says: "He (al-Tabrani) said: "No one else elevated it (i.e. made it Marfu') from Hammad Bin Zayd except Mu'ammal Bin Isma'eel", "I (al-Haythami) say: Mu'ammal is Thiqah but makes MANY MISTAKES, he is Thiqah according to Ibn Ma'een and other than him but weak according to al-Bukhari and other than him also, and the rest of it's narrators are Thiqah"

    and there are plenty more quotes from his Majma' like the above, hence it is really clear that selective quoting was made from al-Haythami's Majma' by the Ahlul Confused, al-Haythami is clearly of the opinion that Mu'ammal is Thiqah in character and his 'Adalah but definitely not in his Hifz! That is why he said according to the majority (Jama'ah Wa Jamhoor) he is weak and he himself said that he made many errors. There was definitely some deception taking place.

    Wallahu A'lam
    Last edited by al_Zayn; 27-05-2012 at 03:08 PM.
    It is reported from Abu Umamah from the Prophet (Sallallahu 'Alayhi WaSallam) that he said:

    اتَّقُوا فِرَاسَةَ الْمُؤْمِنِ ، فَإِنَّهُ يَنْظُرُ بِنُورِ اللَّهِ

    " Fear the Insight of the Believer, for verily he sees with the Light of God"

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    Default Re: Is this a lie upon Imam Bukhari r.e.h ?

    Here is another one from Majma' al-Zawaa'id:

    http://www.al-eman.com/%D8%A7%D9%84%...25&d89458&c&p1

    13650- عن أنس

    أن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم كان يلقى رجلاً فيقول‏:‏ ‏"‏يا فلان، كيف أنت‏؟‏‏"‏‏.‏ فيقول‏:‏ بخير، أحمد الله‏.‏ فيقول له النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم‏:‏ ‏"‏جعلك الله بخير‏"‏‏.‏ فلقي النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم ذات يوم فقال‏:‏ ‏"‏كيف أنت يا فلان‏؟‏‏"‏‏.‏ قال‏:‏ بخير إن شكرت‏.‏ فسكت عنه النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم، فقال‏:‏ يا نبي الله، إنك كنت تسألني فتقول‏:‏ ‏"‏جعلك الله بخير‏"‏‏.‏ وإنك اليوم سكت عني‏؟‏ فقال له‏:‏ ‏"‏إني كنت أسألك فتقول‏:‏ بخير أحمد الله‏.‏ فأقول‏:‏ جعلك الله بخير، وإنك اليوم قلت‏:‏ بخير إن شكرت، فشككت، فسكت عنك‏"‏‏.‏

    رواه أحمد، ورجاله رجال الصحيح غير مؤمل بن إسماعيل، وهو ثقة وفيه ضعف‏.


    After relating a hadith from the Musnad of Imam Ahmad he says: "It is related by Ahmad and it's narrators are the narrators of the Saheeh (Sahihayn) except Mu'ammal Bin Isma'eel who is Thiqah and in him is Weakness"

    and another one:

    http://www.al-eman.com/%D8%A7%D9%84%...25&d87027&c&p1

    2713- وعن الأغر المزني أن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم قرأ في صلاة الصبح بسورة الروم‏.‏

    رواه البزار وفيه مؤمل بن إسماعيل وهو ثقة وقيل فيه‏:‏ إنه كثير الخطأ‏.


    He relates a hadith from Musnad al-Bazzar and says: "It is related by al-Bazzar and in it is Mu'ammal Bin Isma'eel who is Thiqah and it is said in him that he has many errors"

    Wallahu A'lam.
    It is reported from Abu Umamah from the Prophet (Sallallahu 'Alayhi WaSallam) that he said:

    اتَّقُوا فِرَاسَةَ الْمُؤْمِنِ ، فَإِنَّهُ يَنْظُرُ بِنُورِ اللَّهِ

    " Fear the Insight of the Believer, for verily he sees with the Light of God"

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    Default Re: Is this a lie upon Imam Bukhari r.e.h ?

    Quote Originally Posted by al_Zayn View Post
    [1] the words of Abu Hatim:

    http://www.al-eman.com/%D8%A7%D9%84%...1&d182761&c&p1

    قال سألت أبى عن مؤمل بن إسماعيل فقال صدوق شديد في السنة كثير الخطأ يكتب حديثه

    "he (Ibn Abi Hatim) said i asked my father (Abu Hatim) regarding Mu'ammal Ibn Isma'eel and he said Honest, Firm in Sunnah makes abundant mistakes, write his narrations"

    And the second Jarh.

    http://www.al-eman.com/%D8%A7%D9%84%...1&d182619&c&p1

    وسئل عن مؤمل بن إسماعيل وأبى حذيفة فقال في كتبهما خطأ كثير وأبو حذيفة اقلهما خطأ

    "he (Abu Hatim) was asked regarding Mu'ammal Ibn Isma'eel and Abi Huzayfah and he said in their books are many errors while Abu Huzayfah made fewer mistakes of the two."

    This is probably where the likes of al-Dhahabi and Ibn Hajr got their statement from when they said:

    وقال غيره دفن كتبه فكان يحدث من حفظه فكثر خطأه

    "It was also said that he buried his books and narrated by heart and thus erred alot"

    http://www.islamweb.net/newlibrary/d...d=2&startno=15

    سنن الترمذي » كتاب الدعوات » باب منه

    3525 حدثنا محمود بن غيلان حدثنا مؤمل عن حماد بن سلمة عن حميد عن أنس أن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم قال ألظوا بيا ذا الجلال والإكرام قال أبو عيسى هذا حديث غريب وليس بمحفوظ وإنما يروى هذا عن حماد بن سلمة عن حميد عن الحسن البصري عن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم وهذا أصح ومؤمل غلط فيه فقال عن حميد عن أنس ولا يتابع فيه


    Imam Tirmidhi related a hadith where Mu'ammal is in the chain and says: "This is a Ghareeb (strange) hadith and it is not preserved, this narration should be narrated as this; From Hammad Bin Salamah, from al-Hasan al-Basri from Nabi and this is (the) correct (chain), while Mu'ammal made an error in his (sanad) and said; from Humayd from From Anas, he has no Mutab'iah (or anyone following / supporting him up) in this."

    Three things to note from Imam al-Tirmidhi:

    [1] The narrations which were authenticated by al-Tirmidhi (Tahseen and Tas-heeh) only was so because Mu'ammal had authentic Shawahid and Mutabi'ah.

    [2] In cases where there is an addition to the isnad and matn from Mu'ammal then it is rejected by al-Tirmidhi and not preserved.

    [3] Mu'ammal made errors.

    Wallahu A'lam
    Brother Zayn, I need to review and come back to you on this, however, wanted to know why did Imam Bukhari narrate from him in his Sahih Bukhari if he ever considered him to be weak?


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