Masah on socks - any comprehensive article on its justification

[Abul Lais]

That is weird as heck.

As for the respected Maulana Desai, I do not know why it is his prerogative to claim ijmaa' in this. [/I]

He quoted the imams of each madhhab and their views right? Is there a problem with that as well?

Btw have you ever seen Mufti Taqi's An Introduction to Islamic Finance? He quotes across the board (of 4 madhaahib) as well. Is Mufti Taqi also guilty then based on your "logic"?

Please stop passing childish remarks like "he should leave the other schools to other people."

[Jadeed]

He quoted the imams of each madhhab and their views right? Is there a problem with that as well?

He did? Ok, so did Abu Yusuf Uthman bin Farooq. And he even gave references. Whereas Maulana Desai did not actually quote the Imams of each mad'hab, and he also said:

Jurabain are non-leather socks of wool, cotton or any other cloth. There are some narrations which mention masah on jurabain. However, these narrations are not of the Mutawaatar class, hence may not be cited to override or water down a command by the Qur'aan.

You realize this is a principle of Hanafi usul, yes?

Firstly, there is not a single Authority among the Salf-e-Saaliheen (the illustrious and pious predecessors of the Khairul Quroon era) who claims that masah on ordinary socks is valid notwithstanding the Hadith narrations which mention masah on Jurabain.

Are you sure about that?

حدثنا أبو بكر قال نا ابن نمير عن الاعمش عن إبراهيم عن همام أن أبا مسعود كان يمسح على الجوربين .

حدثنا وكيع عن سفيان عن منصور عن خالد بن سعيد عن عقبة بن عمرو أنه مسح على جوربين من شعر .

حدثنا وكيع عن سفيان عن أبي قيس عن هذيل عن مغيرة بن شعبة أن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم مسح على الجوربين والنعلين .

حدثنا وكيع عن أبي خباب عن أبيه عن جلاس بن عمرو أن عمر توضأ يوم جمعة ومسح على جوربيه ونعليه .

حدثنا أبو بكر بن عياش عن حصين عن إبراهيم قال الجوربان والنعلان بمنزلة الخفين .

حدثنا هشيم قال أخبرنا يونس عن الحسن وشعبة عن قتادة عن سعيد بن المسيب والحسن أنهما قالا يمسح على الجوربين إذا كانا صفيقين .

حدثنا هشيم قال أخبرنا حصين عن إبراهيم أنه كان يمسح على الجوربين .

Btw have you ever seen Mufti Taqi's An Introduction to Islamic Finance? He quotes across the board (of 4 madhaahib) as well. Is Mufti Taqi also guilty then based on your "logic"?

As long as he doesn't neglect or misrepresent the arguments of the other schools, then he should feel free to quote them, but seeing as he is not necessarily doing that, then he should stick to his own school.

[Ansari]

The Hanbali scholar Salih Asmari stated that wiping on cotton socks is not allowed. So there you go.

[Jadeed]

The Hanbali scholar Salih Asmari stated that wiping on cotton socks is not allowed. So there you go.

Salih al-Asmari who celebrates Mawlid and is the second favorite Hanbali of the Catholic GF Haddad? Ok, if that's who you have to cite.

If I cite a Barelwi saying the relied-upon position of Ahl al-Sunnah is that one kisses the thumbs and wipes the eyes with them upon hearing the adhan, will you start doing that?

[Abul Lais]

Salih al-Asmari who celebrates Mawlid and is the second favorite Hanbali of the Catholic GF Haddad? Ok, if that's who you have to cite.

If I cite a Barelwi saying the relied-upon position of Ahl al-Sunnah is that one kisses the thumbs and wipes the eyes with them upon hearing the adhan, will you start doing that?

Ok, can you explain which Hanaabilah fatwa on masah has Hadhrat Mufti Desai conflicted?

Plese post proof from both Mufti saheb's book and your corresponding Hambali texts.

Jazakallah

[ImamGhazzaali]

As for the respected Maulana Desai, I do not know why it is his prerogative to claim ijmaa' in this. He has studied the Hanafi school; he should leave the other schools to other people as he reminds the muta'assib Salafis to stop doing (ie; yelling at others concerning fiqhi differences like hands below the navel or tark rafal-yadayn).

I don't think it's about just one scholar. Sometimes, its better not to quote the other madhhahib having a certain ''preferred'' view when their scholars state otherwise. It might save from embarrassment at times.

[Servant.of.Allah]

In my Masjid, we have lots of Muftis. They wipe on socks as there is a hadith on that.

Recently one Mufti did some research in Google and concluded that he wont join in Tabligh jamaat.

['Abdullaah]

In the Hanafi madhhab it is allowed to wipe on shoes, as long as it cover the ankles. See Baheshti Zewar also.

Yes, but in that case you would be required to pray with the shoes on right?
The moment you take your shoes off, your wudu is gone right?

[Servant.of.Allah]

Yes, but in that case you would be required to pray with the shoes on right?
The moment you take your shoes off, your wudu is gone right?

Yes, correct.

[Abu Zakariya Yahya]

The Hanbali scholar Salih Asmari stated that wiping on cotton socks is not allowed. So there you go.

What's the meaning of Jawaarib according to you?

Because even in the primer books of Hanbali Fiqh, wiping over them is permissible.

And as mentioned in Sharh al-Muntaha, this is a name for everything that is worn on the foot in place of the Leather sock (khuf) which is made from other than leather.

The conditions are TWO in the HANBALI MADHAB for wiping over socks:

That they are thick enough so that you can't see anything from the foot through them.

That you can walk with them on continuously, and that they stay up by themselves.