Re: Doubts / Clarification ON Tablighi Jamat
hazrat,this is very simple bcoz there are 2 types of shaheed,haqiqi(real)- who died in qitaal and urfi(not original but shariah called him shaheed,also called him shaheed e ukhrawi)Originally Posted by xs11ax
i m searching 1 sppech of shaikh hanif sb aout this,,ia will send u asap
Re: Doubts / Clarification ON Tablighi Jamat
yes this is type of 2nd no shahadah,
Re: Doubts / Clarification ON Tablighi Jamat
more examples are
one who dies of plague (or an epidemic), one who dies of a stomach illness, one who is burnt to death, one who dies under debris (of a fallen building)
Re: Doubts / Clarification ON Tablighi Jamat
Salam u alaikum beloved brother,
In tableegh the elders have designed it in such a way where a person does a bit of mujahida and goes against his nafse for the sake of Allah, and it is hoped that inshAllah Allah Tala will then open the doors of hidayat and increase his iman/yaqeen.
To leave your home and family behind sort of gives you a tiny bit of taste of the sacrifices Sahaba gave. Sahaba would leave their families behind in the face of Death/Shahadat, whereas in tableegh all that is asked is to leave behind families for few days for the sake of Allah. The aim is to get people out of their daily life routine and provide them with an enviornment where they can focus on building strong yaqeen in Allah and also pondering over the fact that as muslims there is also a responsibility upon our shoulders to convey this message to the whole of mankind.
For a person to go out in Jammat, and especially for longer periods, a mashwara is done, and if it is evident that due to any sharee reason it is not okay for brother to leave then the elders do not let such a person go out in Jammat. This personally happened with me also.
There is no doubt that when you are involved in tableegh, it doesnt mean that you become an angel right away, infact tazkiya is a life long process that whether youre involved in the work of Dawa or not, one has to continously do it. Its not an option or a separate thing, it is a must for every muslim.
Similarly, the right fikr for the ummat and then taking action for it according to your capability is also a must. So Taleem, Tableegh and Tazkia, all three have to be done at the same time. Yes the degree of involvement may vary acorss people, but every one should do all three to reach higher level of Ihsan.
Like every mashaikh has some tarteeb how they do islah of their mureeds, similarly the mashaikh of tableegh has a tarteeb based on quran and sunnah and if followed , much benefit comes out of it. There will always be errors made by workers involved in the work, but that is because they are bashar and prone to mistakes, just like it takes a while for a mureed to rectify his faults and then after years and years of mujahida he becomes a kamil, and then there are some who dont make it. Same is the case here. But aslong as we keep striving with sincerity and ikhlas, inshAllah results will improve.
Regarding your certain other queries i will let other brothers to answer, because some of those issues i have never faced. But like i said, tableegh's work is all over the world now, the brothers in Brazil have different iklaq and dynamics than brother in a city in India. So in this work we have to overlook each others nitty gritty faults and keep the main focus on bringing the 6 qualities/points in our lives ,giving dawa and reminders of the 6 points to our muslims brothers. In reality the akabir of tableegh only wish the unity of ummah , overlooking each others maslak, faults madhabs etc.
The need of the hour is to help and remind each other collectively to hold on tight to the way of the Prophet S.w and Sahaba, and all ulema, mashaikh, people of tasawuff, people of tableegh, madaris are working towards this one goal.
Wasalam
Last edited by PirBaba; 25-05-2012 at 03:56 PM.
Re: Doubts / Clarification ON Tablighi Jamat
Because being an ummati of Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasalllam you have global responsibilities.1) why do i need to go in jamaat .
You and your family have to realise that in reality its Allah only who looks after your family with or without you.2) who will take care of my family , please don't say Allah i know he does but understand if a person is the only single man in his family what about his wife and children???
I dont have knowledge about that, guess we need to ask ulama.3) isnt doing good deeds at home better than going out where there is fitna , backbitting which i consider a major sin.
Again ummate muhammad sallalahu alaihi wasallam have global obligations.4) why shall i leave my place , city ? isnt calling Muslim in my city towards good and forbidding from evil enough where as Muslims of lets say City B call Muslims of city B towards good and forbid them from evil. no one will have to leave their home and places.
Sahaba wont recognize muslims of today as muslims.5) The Sahaba went out and spread Islam among the kuffars . thats why you see the ideology of TJ fails at the very basis since population of muslims where TJ is dominant remains the same.
May be this will help a little. Also listen to the speech which Maulana Abu Uzair Sahab posted about tabligi jamaat by Shaykh Mumtazul Haq Sahab.
Re: Doubts / Clarification ON Tablighi Jamat
There is nothing called TABLIGH JAMAAT. Its the duty of the ummah which has to be done everyday.
TJ has a tartheeb like 3 days, 40 days, 4 months. If Sahabas are present now, they would have got very angry with the TJ who spend very less time for the Deen.
Alhamdulillah, Moulana Ilyas R.A has revived this work of deen in India. It was already in place for several hundred years in India, a good example is -
For next several hundred years there is no worries for Indian muslims as their forefathers have setup the system in a better way, our janazas, our masjids, our madarasas, the wakf, Shaira, other things....etc.
AGAIN - If in India, we dont do this work with humbleness, hope of Allah, fear of Allah - then our future generation is in trouble.
Nowadays I see my own muslims brothers and sisters are going away form Islam.
Similarly alhamdulillah Muslims are growing in US, its their duty now.
They must stop thinking they came to make Money in US. Wallahi, If the persian/arab traders thought the same way - My forefathers and me would have been in Kufr. Its our duty in US to establish this work and help our generation for the next 1000 years. Insha Allah brothers, dont start tomorrow - Start right now,
do ibadah, dhirk, go out in the path of Allah - spend maximum time.
Alhamdulillah u ll see the results
Re: Doubts / Clarification ON Tablighi Jamat
A copy paste from Tablighi jamaat Made Easy
“Why does the Tabligh Jamaat go mostly to
Muslims.”
Why does Tabligh Jamaat preach, teach, talk, and walk amongst
mostly Muslims. Firstly, many times the Tabligh Jamaat because of
their conspicuous nature have to work and give Da'wah to non-
Muslims. This happens at bus stops, railway platforms, airport areas
and on the road.
Secondly, when someone is doing well in accordance to the Shari'ah,
then allow them to carry on. No one is stopping one from giving
Da'wah to non-Muslims provided one knows the Shar'i requirements
and perimeters for this important responsibility.
Thirdly, in the Shari'ah we have many examples to prove that
teaching, learning and advising Muslims was done.
1.) Allaah instructs reminding because reminding is beneficial
for the Muslims: Allaah says:
Continue advising because advice is beneficial for the Mu'mineen. {Surah
Dhaariyaat, verse 55}
So advise because advice is beneficial. {Surah A'la, verse 9}
The Mu'mineen men and the Mu'mineen women are supporters (helpers,
protectors) of each other. They command (others and each other to do) good,
prevent evil, establish salaah, pay zakaah and obey Allaah and His Rasool .
These are the ones on whom Allaah shall soon shower mercy. Verily Allaah is
Mighty, The Wise. {Surah Taubah, verse 71}
From here it is clear that the reminding, advising,
admonishing is done by Muslims for Muslims.
2.) The gathering of Muslims at Darul Arqam for learning,
teaching, advising and practising was done by Muslims, for
Muslims. Here the Ameer was none other than Nabi .1
3.) The sending of Hadhrat Mus'ab bin Umayr to Madinah to
teach Muslims.2
4.) The sending of Hadhrat Mu’aadh bin Jabal (R.A) to Yemen, as
a governor, guide and teacher for the Muslims.3
5.) Hadhrat Abdullaah bin Mas’ood narrated Ahadeeth once or
twice a week to those gathered in Masjid e Nabawi .4
6.) Hadhrat Abu Hurayrah used to stand near the mimbar
(pulpit) of Masjid e Nabawi once a week and narrate
Ahadeeth.5
7.) Hadhrat Tameem Daari used to narrate Ahadeeth before
the Jumu'ah Khutba every Jumu'ah.6 (From this one we prove
also that the lecture is given prior to Jumuah Khutba in many
countries).
8.) Hadhrat Umar sent Hadhrat Abu Dardaa to Shaam to teach
the Qur'aan and Sunnah to the people.7
9.) The Mufassireen, Muhadditheen and the Ustaads in all Darul
Ulooms as well as the Mashaa'ikh in Khanqahs teach, study,
educate, advise and admonish Muslims.
10.) Rasulullaah once dispatched a group of six Sahabah to
teach the people of a tribe that had accepted Islaam. These
Sahabah were however waylaid at a place called Raj'ee.1
11.) There is a Hadith in which states, ”convey, perhaps the
listener understands more than the speaker”.2 This also
refers to Muslims to Muslims. The Muhaaditheen (scholars
and compilers of Ahadeeth themselves state that although
they are compilers, the ‘fuqahaa’ (jurists) understand the
meaning in greater depths.3
12.) There is an extremely important Hadith which states ‘convey
from me, even if it be an Aayat”.4 This is so general that
Muslim and non-Muslims can be inferred there from.
13.) This single Hadith is sufficient to relate most, if not all
objections regarding Dawat and Tabligh.
Re: Doubts / Clarification ON Tablighi Jamat
Can you guys believe this ?
My previous post was around the time of asr and Just now returned from the Markaz with my dad after praying Maghrib.
My dad was like full of praises of TJ while driving the car ,Telling me the efforts of Deobandis , TJ , His favorite line is
"Joh Kaam Maulana Ilyas ra ki jamaat ne karke dikhaya hai woh koi aur dikhade" at such a large scale.
I felt happy in my heart and a bit angry too . May be i couldn't take too much praise of TJ brother's
He was also telling me some sad stories of markaz here which i felt bad , jeeez am i getting a soft corner for TJ
Hmmmm lets see
Re: Doubts / Clarification ON Tablighi Jamat
on the surface your routine sounds about right, but not every muslim has the good fortune like yourself to have taufeeq to do these things. thats were tabligh jamaat comes in. if it was not for tabligh jamaat, many muslims would have strayed away from islam. tabligh jamaat is like the shepherd gathering together and looking after his flock. just recently a very active tablighi friend of mine (with his wife) brought a sister back to islam who had turned to prostitution. if muslims were not active in tabligh jamaat then many people like this sister would have no one to make concern and effort on their iman.
personally i believe that you dont have to go in jamaat, but if you do then you have great potential to benefit yourself and others. yes there are other organisations for doing this, but tabligh jamaat is the organisation that follows the sunnah more closely than the others.
everything in islam has to have a balance. parents, children, wives, employers, employees, your ownself, Allah, His Rasool, the deen etc all have rights upon you. some have more, some have less, some have differing rights depending on the situation. this balance should be achieved by taking the situation into consideration and making mashwera with those concerned and your elders.
depends on your intention for going to such places and whether you are strong enough not to become part of that fitnah.
my jamaat was in america and we went for ghusht in a pool bar where they had music and alcohol. our intention was not to become part of the fitnah, but to try and bring muslims who were part of the fitnah back to the masjid. there was one brother there who after much effort grudgingly came back with us to the masjid. when he sat down in the masjid he started crying and thanking us for forcefully bringing him to the masjid. he told us he hadnt been to the masjid for around 10 years. may Allah bless him.
tabligh jamaat is not just about preaching and helping others, in fact it is primarily about rectifying and helping your ownself. the concept beind leaving your home and city/country is to take oneself away from all the distractions and problems of ones own home so you can concentrate on your own rectification and inviting others.
the primary concern of tabligh jamaat is not to convert non muslims to muslim, it is to bring back muslims to the deen. im sure you have seen the effect of this everywhere. in fact you are chatting with someone that came back to the deen due to the efforts of tabligh jamaat.
because they are not following the teachings of Moulana Ilyas (ra) and tabligh jamaat properly. this is not the fault of the effort. it is the fault of the people who are active in the effort. i have argued many times with people like these.
what do you mean by ijtama?
Re: Doubts / Clarification ON Tablighi Jamat
Moulana Saheb. You are right.
The only problem i have is when someone tries to play down the shaheed who has been martyred in jihad qitaal.
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