Scholars of Ahl al-Sunna Who Did Permit Istighatha from the Deceased

[faqir]

There are numerous threads on this forum with quotes from scholars who do not permit Istighatha (seeking aid) from the deceased. Clearly this falls into the normal differences we encounter amongst the scholars of Islamic Law. But, I think it only fair that the opinions of other scholars ( non-Barelwi ) from the past and present who did permit it (with conditions, of course) are also considered. Please see below:


Imam Khayr al-Din al-Ramli on Istighatha

Imam al-Kawthari on Istighatha, Isti'ana and Tawassul
[Full article of Imam al-Kawthari available HERE]

Imam Shihab al-Din al-Ramli's Fatwa on Istighatha

Imam Ibn Hajar al-Haytami on Seeking Aid With the Prophet (sallallahu `alayhi wa sallam)

Imam Taqi al-Din al-Subki on Tawassul, Istighatha and Tashaffu'

Imam Ibn al-Hajj al-Abdari on Tawassul and Istighatha

Imam Mustafa ibn Ahmad ash-Shatti al-Hanbali on Shirk and Istighatha

Imam Busiri's Istighatha & Imam al-Haytami's commentary upon it

Najm al-Din al-Tufi Quotes a Refutation of Ibn Taymiyya on Istighatha

Shaykh Yusuf al-Nabahani, Shaykh abd al-Ghani al-Nablusi, al-Allamah Imam Abdul Hayy al-Shurunbali and Shaykh al-Khalili on Istighatha

'Allamah Yusuf b. Ahmad al-Dijwi al-Azhari on Tawassul and Istighatha
[Read his treatise posted on aslein.net HERE]

Istighatha of Shaykh `Uthman Dan Fodio

Habib Zayn b. Sumayt on Istighatha and other 'Issues of Controversy

Habib Umar bin Hafiz on Istighatha

The Hadith: 'O Slaves of Allah! Help Me!' and the opinion of various `Ulema regarding it and their acting upon it

Shaykh Yusuf Khattar Muhammad on al-Madad

Istighatha in Ibn `Abdidin's Radd al-Muhtar




(p.s. I hope the moderators will allow these links to remain! I see no point in wasting bandwidth and copy / pasting here instead)

[abul_hussain]

Clearly this falls into the normal differences we encounter amongst the scholars of Islamic Law.

But apparently these normal differences seem to be deviant differences when it comes to differences in creed however, differences in determining what is shirk or not shirk here is called "normal differences"

But, I think it only fair that the opinions of other scholars ( non-Barelwi ) from the past and present who did permit it (with conditions, of course) are also considered. Please see below:

You can add few more scholars ( non-Barelwi ) to the list who approve and promote seeking help from the dead creation like
Sultan al Awliya Nazim Haqqani
Shaykh al-Islam Tahir al-Qadri
Shaykh Hisham Kabbani
Shaykh Nuh Ha Meem Keller
Shaykh Abdal Hakim Murad ( TJ Winters )
Dr GF Haddad
Shaykh Muhammad Yacoubi
Shaykh of sh. Nuh , Sh. Shaghouri
Shaykh Abdul Hadi Kharsa

the list could be very long one...... but what is the evidence they used from Quran & Hadith and understanding of Salaf us Salih to make seeking help from dead permissible ?

[faqir]

Obviously accusations upon muslims of polytheism and infidelity would not be considered a valid or acceptable difference but that was not my understanding of what the posters in other threads were alluding to. As for the evidence used from the Qur'an and Hadith, this is highlighted in many of the articles linked above. Kindly refer to them.

[abdul12345]

Asalaam
What is the position of the 4 imams on istigatha

[faqir]

'alaikum salam.

What is the position of the 4 imams on istigatha

Well, according to Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Hajar al-Haytami, prior to Ibn Taymiyya no scholar had considered istighatha (seeking aid) through the Prophet to be impermissible. He says:

"From amongst the untruths of Ibn Taymiyya which no scholar before him had said, and whereby he created dissent between the people of Islām, is that he denounced tawassul and istighātha (seeking aid) through him ; and that is not as he had decreed (i.e. that it is impermissible)."

[Quote from the article posted above: Imam Ibn Hajar al-Haytami on Seeking Aid With the Prophet (sallallahu `alayhi wa sallam)]

Please refer also to some of the other articles posted above.

[abdul12345]

Well istigatha is a big issue, to ask from the dead, did the 4 imams not write anything specific alongside other rulings.

[aMuslimForLife]

Well istigatha is a big issue, to ask from the dead, did the 4 imams not write anything specific alongside other rulings.

Istigatha is only a big issue for a wahabi.... cause the true Ulama Of Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah have dealt with this issue... A Wahabi can't even get it straight about Tawhid, how is it possible for them to tell you about shirk??? Think about it, if they can't tell you what is true about Allah, how is it possible for them to tell you about shirk.....

[Sultaan]

Istigatha is only a big issue for a wahabi....

So why do hundreds of Arab Ash'ari shuyookh oppose it, some of them anti-Wahabi?

cause the true Ulama Of Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah have dealt with this issue...

So the many Barelwis worshipping with the Hindus is a sign of Ahl-Sunnah?

A Wahabi can't even get it straight about Tawhid, how is it possible for them to tell you about shirk??? Think about it, if they can't tell you what is true about Allah, how is it possible for them to tell you about shirk.....

So why are your Habashi cousins, the most extreme Ash'aris in our times, stooges for the mujassimah Nusayris? Why are your shuyookh congratulating the Nasara on their day of kufr Christmas?

[bugmenot]

Allah (SWT) says in the Qur’an,

“That is Allah, your Lord; to Him belongs sovereignty. And those whom you invoke other than Him do not possess [as much as] the membrane of a date seed. If you invoke them, they do not hear your supplication; and if they heard, they would not respond to you. And on the Day of Resurrection they will deny your association. And none can inform you like [One] Acquainted [with all matters].”

See also this.

[aMuslimForLife]

So why do hundreds of Arab Ash'ari shuyookh oppose it, some of them anti-Wahabi?

I am unaware of the specifics you are talking about, but it is possible that you'll find traditional scholars opposing it, but I doubt they will label you a mushirk or a kafir for doing it.... Unless you are doing istighatha in away that opposes what the traditional scholars have considered permissible....

You'll find traditional Shafi scholars who oppose the hadra by the Sufis but it is still permissible in the Shafi madhab... You find traditional Shafi scholars who oppose the dominant opinion that shaving the beard is makrooh and prefer the opinion that is haraam... but the dominant opinion in the late Shafi madhab concerning shaving the beard is still makrooh... So it is not strange to find scholars opposing the dominant opinion of a madhab but their disagreement with it isn't usually like the disagreement that Wahabis have of it that are accompanied with shirk and kufr etc etc...

You'll will always find disagreements among human beings, it is a natural aspect of the human being... a person would be lying if they told me that they personally agreed with everything their shuyukh have taught them... There will always be something that you will disagree with your shaykh... always.... Most people just bite their lip... There will always be something that your shaykh does, that goes against the dominant opinion of the madhab.... always... I haven't studied a single text in Islam except a shaykh saying, it would have been better if the Imam would have said this or that... or while the dominant of opinion of the madhab is this, in modern times it is not possible to fulfill so do this or that.... even in Arabic grammar... the ajromiyyah I remember a shaykh telling me it is not the most accurate text... but Allah placed his baraka in this text so we teach from it...

So it is possible to find traditional scholars disagreeing with some positions within traditional Islam...

So the many Barelwis worshipping with the Hindus is a sign of Ahl-Sunnah?

The fallacy of this argument is in the question... Simply because you have this group or that group agreeing with Ahlus Sunnah on a point doesn't make them Ahlus Sunnah... There are Wahabis who believe that Bukhari is Sahih, it doesn't make them Ahlus Sunnah.... however seeing Bukhari as sahih can be a sign that one is Ahlus Sunnah because the Shia don't regard Bukhari as Sahih... So what doesn't your question really mean????

So why are your Habashi cousins, the most extreme Ash'aris in our times, stooges for the mujassimah Nusayris? Why are your shuyookh congratulating the Nasara on their day of kufr Christmas?

The Habashis are considered Ahlul Bidah by most of our Ulama.... and in regards to the second question, I have no idea what you are talking about... I don't know the context in which they were congratulating the nasara... I don't why they did it... what does that even mean???

And Allah knows best.