Seriously; sarcasm can lead to problems?!?!

[Melbourne]

As some of you know I have been on forced vacation from the forum.

There was a brother who became upset with the titles and subject of the threads that I was posting. He finally reached a boiling point and said he wanted to punch me in the mouth. That he hated all Americans and that all Americans were pigs and loudmouths. On any forum I have ever posted a person who issues physical threats will be permanently banned. This brother was banned, but I do not know if it was permanent or not.

Then subsequently I was banned.

Yet, I never made one physical threat nor did I called the brother any names.

I was banned for............... drumroll please............. “Sarcasm”!!!

Seriously, I was banned for posting in a sarcastic way.

I kid you not.


While I was on my vacation from the forum I decided to look up fatwas concerning use of speech.

The only thing that I could find was that deliberately lying was haram.

But that sarcasm and irony were both legitimate rhetorical methods of communication in both written and verbal communication.

An example would be if it was raining and thundering outside; and a person asked you how was the weather. You could reply, “it's beautiful outside”. That would be a perfectly legitimate response and you would not be insulting the other person.

Comments??

I made those comments & sarcasm is mentioned in the Quran clearly. But don't just take my word for it watch a fellow American who gives some great lectures mashallah. Norman Ali Khan:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_57ZT...e_gdata_player

[Maripat]

Mel, and Revert,
Sabr is a difficult thing. Myself included.
That is what is called for. Please keep yourself dis-engaged from each other.
Difference of opinion is not always a cake walk to over come.
With the passing of time you shall find it easier to forgive or even give up your own position.
You know what to do at the moment - just do not react or try to engage the other.
I am sure both of you can see that there are zillions of things that can be done in the mean time.
And all of them are more important.

[Melbourne]

what about patience,big heartedness,bearing some hardship and returning with good
what about understanding the others life and trials and building bridges and maintaining them

Why should I or anyone else build a bridge, bear hardship or return with good just for the sake of someone elses issues, we all have issues but somehow deal with them. Is this the way of the Sahaba? I think not brother, they had respect for each other & spoke in an Islamic way so all could respect each other BECAUSE for them Allah awj came first, not their egos, not life hardships, not their problems with reverting to Islam, but the pleasure of Allah awj came first.

[Melbourne]

Mel, and Revert,
Sabr is a difficult thing. Myself included.
That is what is called for. Please keep yourself dis-engaged from each other.
Difference of opinion is not always a cake walk to over come.
With the passing of time you shall find it easier to forgive or even give up your own position.
You know what to do at the moment - just do not react or try to engage the other.
I am sure both of you can see that there are zillions of things that can be done in the mean time.
And all of them are more important.

Totally agreed brother. Sabr is hard, but very rewarding.
I will try & ignore reverts comments as much as possible.
Jazakallahu khairan.

[Student.]

No offence to anyone but this is just a forum, life exists outside the cyber world. If your holding grudges over the mods, but moreover, if you're so deeply effected by a transient ban then I only wonder how you maintain ties in real life.

And what happened to husn-e-dhann and forgiving your fellow brother/sister for the sake of Allah? The mods may have made a mistake but you didn't have to publicize it and cause a whole uproar over it. Those who conceal the faults of others will have their own faults concealed on the day of judgement.

[Revert2001]

Totally agreed brother. Sabr is hard, but very rewarding.
I will try & ignore reverts comments as much as possible.
Jazakallahu khairan.

I came back because I left you a personal message on another thread. But the whole thread was deleted.

What I said was; that you are the most hypocritical person I have ever meet in my life.

You posted calling me a pig, kuffar, loud mouth, and said the you hated Americans; especially me.

(I never once called you any name or slandered you)

YoU posted that you wanted to punch me in the mouth and beat me up.

Then you have the audacity to tell me that I have issues.

Son, you definitely have severe problems to behave like that to a brother and then act like you did nothing wrong.


Then you called me anti-Islamic and said that I had low Imaan.

Question: Who appointed you as judge and jury over the ummah and the deen??


Seriously, you need to go to the closest mental health facility and make an appointment.

Before you hurt yourself or someone around you.

At least do it for the sake of your family.