Female Education

[mwinyi]

How does this 'ilm' translate as secular education, which definitely teaches us lies like 'theory of evolution' etc.

Isn't 'seeking ilm' related to learning Quran and sunnah.

Bro don't try to twist facts and say 'modern education' is obligatory on Muslims. Tread very carefully bro.

Edit: Is education the only way to gain knowledge? Certainly not.

You asked for the Quran and Hadith evidence and I gave them however I have a feeling maybe we do not understand each other.

But before I answer your new questions would you kindly show which Qur'an and hadiths that I quoted as per your request that you dis agree with with what I wrote so I can answer you appropriately

shukran

[amr123]

Before I answer you questions would you kindly show where you dis agree with what I wrote so I can answer you appropriately

shukran

Modern education is not 'Fardh' on Muslims. It merely permissible for our convenience to get a better job to earn a living.

A Muslim won't be sinning if he quits school and does labour work for earning a living.
A Muslim won't be sinning if he quits school and goes to madrassa to be an alim.
I m not saying a muslim shouldn't go to school or college but its not 'obligatory' for us. As there are lots of other (inconvenient) halaal ways to earn a living.

[mwinyi]

Modern education is not 'Fardh' on Muslims. It merely permissible for our convenience to get a better job to earn a living.

A Muslim won't be sinning if he quits school and does labour work for earning a living.
A Muslim won't be sinning if he quits school and goes to madrassa to be an alim.
I m not saying a muslim shouldn't go to school or college but its not 'obligatory' for us. As there are lots of other (inconvenient) halaal ways to earn a living.

You asked for Quran and Hadith evidence and I gave them to you

will you kindly show where you disagree with the Aya from the Quran or hadith ?

[amr123]

will you kindly show where you disagree with the Aya from the Quran or hadith ?

None of the ayah says modern education is 'fardh'.

Is modern education the only way to seek Ilm?

The more important question is, is modern education even a way of seeking ilm?
(as a lot of the things learnt at schools are lies and have atheistic vibes.)

Edit: you seem to go around in circles, unless you clearly establish anything. I am not going to reply.

[mwinyi]

None of the ayah says modern education is 'fardh'.

Is modern education the only way to seek Ilm?

The more important question is, is modern education even a way of seeking ilm?
(as a lot of the things learnt at schools are lies and have atheistic vibes.)

You asked for Quran aya as well as hadith I wont force you to agree with what Allah (SW) and the Prophet (PBUH). You asked for evidence and I gave it to you unless you dont believe in Qur'an and Hadith.

[amr123]

You asked for Quran aya as well as hadith I wont force you to agree with what Allah (SW) and the Prophet (PBUH). You asked for evidence and I gave it to you unless you dont believe in Qur'an and Hadith.

So you are accusing me of being a kafir because I said modern education is not the only way to seek Ilm. Ajeeb.

I hereby declare لا إله إلا الله محمد رسول الله

----End of discussion-----

[mwinyi]

So you are accusing me of being a kafir because I said modern education is not the only way to seek Ilm. Ajeeb.

I hereby declare لا إله إلا الله محمد رسول الله

----End of discussion-----

Couple of things:

1. I said Education is obligatory to ALL muslims

2. You asked for hadith and Quran to back up the statement

3. I gave you more than 3 hadiths and Qur'an Aya's

4. You insisted that you were not satisfied with the evidence (Qur'an and Hadith)

5. I said, if you dont agree with Qur'an and Hadith then as a Muslim I dont have anything else to offer you. You chose not to believe the evidence you requested by disputing them....!

I wonder why did you ask for Quranic evidence in the first place...

Allahu Ya Allam

[amr123]

http://www.islam.tc/cgi-bin/askimam/...=9901&act=view

Are we supposed to get worldly education and become scientists, doctors, engineers, etc.? Is this the meaning of surah iqraa?

If we're not supposed to, then how are we going to defeat the kuffar? Jazaakallahu khair.

Answer 9901

October 27, 2003



While seeking of worldly knowledge is permissible and even commendable in certain circumstances, it is not the purpose of man's creation. Our purpose is Allah, who when attained, will fulfill all needs. Allah says; "Is not Allah sufficient for his servant?".(Quran) If a believer pleases Allah, Allah will defeat his enemies

If worldly knowledge is sought as a means to assist mankind, thereby pleasing Allah, then it is rewarding as well. If such knowledge or the means toward it cause distance from Allah, or involves breaking His law, as is a common problem nowadays, it is harmful and detrimental. Surah Iqra' speaks about creation of man and the honours bestowed upon him by Allah. One of these is that Allah has granted him the capacity to understand, learn and preserve knowledge. This is one of those qualities that set him apart from the lesser creations. (Tafseer ibn Katheer Vol 4 pg 683 Darus Salaam)

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Bilaal Cassim
FATWA DEPT.

CHECKED AND APPROVED: Mufti Ebrahim Desai
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Its clear going to school, education etc is 'worldly knowledge' which is different from 'Islamic knowledge'. It is commanded to seek 'Islamic knowledge' not 'worldly knowledge'. Some people have difficult time comprehending the difference between the two. May Allah guide us all. ameen.

[bintAmirah]

http://spa.qibla.com/issue_view.asp?...ID=241&CATE=87

"Secular knowledge in general is a neutral entity, not necessarily destructive, not necessarily constructive. While it can be damaging to faith and corrosive to morals, it can also be a powerful, positive force. The demon is not in the substance but in the system.

If the methods are correct, the environment is safe, motivations and aspirations are sincere and selfness and the ethos which underpins the educational structure is wholly Islamic, then knowledge (religious or secular) is not simply power, but power with responsibility and an overwhelming sense of accountability to the Almighty Creator."

[nike89x]

Bismihee Ta'aala

Asalamualaikum,

Sister Imaan??,


I suggest you speak to more qualified people. There are 2 doctors here in the U.S. who are also Aalims. They would be able to give you better solutions on how to fulfill both your goals, studying higher education as well as pursuing deeni knowledge. I suggest you contact them.

1. http://www.pureway.org/ - Dr. Mawlana Omar Hussaini

2. http://www.sacredlearning.org/ - Dr. Shaykh Husain Abdul Sattar