Strange how a reasonably innocent thing can turn into a nightmare.
May be because yours truly did not put the trivial things on paper.
Initially, after joining SF, your truly did precisely did that - put trivial things on record.
It was strange that yours truly was thought of as some bored student passing his time.
And now a clumsy article has become the bone on contention.
To Indians at least it should have made perfect sense.
But too is just as well.
This has given yours truly an opportunity to put the things in perspective.
So here we go.
This one is a different matter. Knowledge is allowed as long as it is beneficial. If Hindus ask him to give discourses on Vedas then he does have an opportunity to put the things in perspective. By that I mean that he can explain the reality of Hinduism with the hindsight of Islam.again isnt this shirk and kuffar to give lessons of idol worship religious texts?
I'll indulge more in this.
When a person believes in Hinduism then Islam does not make sense to him. Nor will Christianity or Judaism but that is irrelevant. Similarly when a person believes in Christianity he or she finds it impossible to make head or tale of the other religions. When you believe in Islam each and every religion makes sense to you. And please hold on your screams - yours truly is not talking perennial philosophy here. Yours truly is talking about Kalme Bina Na Milti Toi - without the Kalima you do not have a clue. So when you are in Islam you can explain, to who so ever is ready to listen, what is Hinduism, Christianity or any other religion. This is Islamic perspective on comparative religion. I suppose every Muslim should know the explanation of Surah Baqarah 2:62. All those who believed in Sabian religion, Judaism and Christianity and did good deeds have nothing to fear in the hereafter. Why? Because all of them were based on Allah (SWT)'s injunctions. At present all of these stand superseded by Islam. In past? In past there were many correct religions because Allah (SWT) sent a Prophet (AS) to every people. So gentle reader please do understand that Allah (SWT) must have sent a Prophet (AS) to the people of India - my ancestors. I'll suspect that He (SWT) must have sent many Prophets (AS) to India. That India retains its affinity to religion is, as usual, no accident. If too many of them are trapped in the wrong religion is more of our mistake than theirs - get it absolutely right. We have not done our due and I do have very strong arguments to drive home the argument but for now I shall return to the main argument.
A Muslim explaining Vedas on a microphone is not necessarily a deviant - he might be a better Muslim than you for in all probability he is a Dayee. Are you a Dayee? (The question is to all not only the brother whose post I am replying to.)
We got to understand this Hadith.and brothers what about the famous Hadith where Hazrat Umar RA was reading Torah and the blessed countenance of Nabi alaihis salam turned red because of anger and Hazrat Abu Bakr RA took Torah from Umar RA hands and closed it.
I think it was a page from Torah - not the whole book that Hazrat Umar (RA) had in his hand.
The prohibition in the Hadith is about accepting Torah as a book of guidance after the Furqan, that is the Noble Qur'an, has been revealed. The Noble Qur'an refers to authenticity, of course in parts only, of Torah, Zuboor and Injeel. So when Allah (SWT) say that Inna Haza Li Suhufil Oola, Suhufi Ibraheema wa Moosa - Verily this is there in the Scared Documents of past- Documents of Ibraheem and Musa (AS) then it means we can verify these things by reading those Documents. Nothing wrong with that. Occurrence of information in Qur'anic Verse in earlier texts is an evidence of Islam.
And the Shaikh Sarwar Farooqi Nadwi Sahab (DB) might have said it. It is rather common in India. Allama Iqbal used it in a couplet:
Wahdat Ki Laiy Suni Thi Dunya Ne Jis Makan Se
Meer-e-Arab (S.A.W.) Ko Aayi Thandi Hawa Jahan Se
The House from which the world had heard Tawhid’s tune
From where the Holy Prophet had felt cool breeze
And I once again insist that authenticity of the Hadith is what scholars tell about it.
Some people have taken it to be authentic and hence used it. And even then they by no means were praising Hinduism nor they meant that breeze meant more than physical phenomena.
There is some rubbish but Lord Most High willing it should get cleared by the end of the present post. It is strange that Muslims of India should be the most misunderstood section of Ummah on SF. I suppose some more work is ahead of me, IA.
Pandit, I means the Brahmins of India, is a scholar of no mean proportions. I have heard incidents when a Pandit can give a discourse on Tawheed, the concept Hinduism has significantly mutilated, that can give sweating in many people. I experienced it myself also and I have narrated it here at SF. We do not have the advantage of having beloved Rasoolallah (PBUH) with us where many of the problems were solved with Wahy. We now have only ourselves to defend Islam. It sometimes needs preparations. It is strange that people can participate in kilometers long hair splitting threads on secondary matters of Shariah but when some effort is made to communicate No god but God to the people of India it is taken as a sort of deviation and queer behaviour. People want to pity us Muslims of India and any assertive action is too much for it challenges the collective wisdom of Indian Muslim being a pathetic being who has accepted second class citizenship in India. This is a bit unexpected and betrays lack of Husn-ad-Dhunn.
A few years ago three Dayees ventured into an RSS organization to learn Sanskrit. There was no danger but obvious paranoia made the whole experience a goose pimple giving one. We are trying to make sacrifices but some how our brothers find us grotesque.
We live in India which has become a Hindu majority state, thanks to partition.
Without partition it would not have been - even if their numbers were larger, that they were.
India opted for secular democracy and this has made India a de facto Hindu state in some matters that are vital but not a completely Hindu state. This is because larger numbers mean larger votes and larger seats in state legislature and national parliament. So, for example, if a military tank is to be inaugurated by breaking of a coconut then a sole high ranking Muslim officer, if he is exits, can not say that you can not go ahead with it because it is a secular state.
Our friends from across the border will expect precisely the same Rambo action on our part but this is bit unfair. They decided not to live in united India because of fears of Hindu dominance and now they do expect us to live without that. It is a reality that many Hindus has taken partition as an insult and they do take out their anger on Muslims - directly or indirectly. In this regard we have got the most distasteful suggestion for migration. Why is it distasteful that I shall again relegate to future, IA.
But not all Hindus are that obnoxious and they are aware that this Hindu-Muslim problem should be addressed. This is what leads many kind hearted Hindus to perennial solution.
It is these people who present the matters as they are depicted in the article that I have posted. I have no soft corner for perennial philosophy but on my part I find it difficult to hate a person who is merely trying to present a picture of non-conflicting existence of a minority in India.
I suppose this takes care of most of the objections raised but if some points are not still clear then I can do a point wise analysis of the whole OP but brothers have to ask for that because I can not decide for you.
But we do want to slog it out in India. Do supplicate if you can find time and inclination. And I do render apologies for the bitterness for it does not do any honour to a Muslim if he becomes bitter. I, post facto, do seek your forgiveness.