Q: How do you TRIM your hair to exit ihraam?

[al_Zayn]

Topis (and in some places Tawbs / Jubbahs) are accepted attires in some companies in the UK. Definitely topis.

[Visitor]

This is talbees ilblees (ploy of shaytan). I still cannot see how being bald and big bushy fist length beard is counter productive to da'wah.
The pride and honour which the business corporate world attaches to a three piece suit is so emphasized that we choose to incline towards their view of what is honourable. Da'wah is towards Islam as a whole which includes all the shi'aar (salient features) of deen. Yes, it is permissible to wear those pants and shirts as per the requirement of the company so no one is forcing you to wear a jubbah, but that is a different issue.

I will illustrate how it may be counter-productive.
We believe that the Prophet (saaw) came with the best way in everything. Even his (saaw) dress etc.
As far as I know it was his (saaw) continuous practice to wear imamah on his Mubarak head. He (saaw) has a splendid Mubarak beard too.
But naozubillah he (saaw) never walked around for long periods with shaven head and big beard bcos for one it was not beautiful. The sunnah libas (white, turban, loose clothes etc.) IS beautiful and even non-muslims say this. NO ONE complements bald head and bushy beards…not even muslims. That look is only good-looking in jihad, in ihram, or by non-muslim groups like Hells Angels Biker gang.
You have to understand that I spend 40 hours + in the office environment with a big beard and bald head. People don’t look at me and think he must be muslim bcos I don’t look like a typical muslim….i look more like a Hells Angel biker….which is an aggressive look. No one can argue that bald head and big beard looks beautiful in public environment without a head covering bcos the sunnah is to cover head in public.

No, the minimum remains 1/4th. The suggestion of cutting more than finger tip was by way of caution. The text does not mention about volume.

Which text is this? And how do they arrive at the ¼ figure? I find this really interesting. I wish I studied to be a mufti so I could find all this out!

[abuhajira]

I will illustrate how it may be counter-productive.
We believe that the Prophet (saaw) came with the best way in everything. Even his (saaw) dress etc.
As far as I know it was his (saaw) continuous practice to wear imamah on his Mubarak head. He (saaw) has a splendid Mubarak beard too.
But naozubillah he (saaw) never walked around for long periods with shaven head and big beard bcos for one it was not beautiful. The sunnah libas (white, turban, loose clothes etc.) IS beautiful and even non-muslims say this. NO ONE complements bald head and bushy beards…not even muslims. That look is only good-looking in jihad, in ihram, or by non-muslim groups like Hells Angels Biker gang.
You have to understand that I spend 40 hours + in the office environment with a big beard and bald head. People don’t look at me and think he must be muslim bcos I don’t look like a typical muslim….i look more like a Hells Angel biker….which is an aggressive look. No one can argue that bald head and big beard looks beautiful in public environment without a head covering bcos the sunnah is to cover head in public.

Which text is this? And how do they arrive at the ¼ figure? I find this really interesting. I wish I studied to be a mufti so I could find all this out!

brother,

a. All that I have mentioned is from the same ibarah of Shaami which I quoted in the first answer.

b. Rasulullah did shave his head, Fuqaha termed it Afdhal. It was normal habit of Ali :rad: to shave his head, while he was also known to have a thick beard. One hadeeth in shamail mentions Rasulullah 's beard to cover the breadth of his mubarak chest. Imagine how that must be. The fact is, what you are suggesting is from your own perception and is not sufficient opt for some rukhsas and leeways. Many of us have spent years with bushy beard in the company of non muslims. But if you choose to forgo the rewards of complete halq based on your assessments, then that is your choice. I do not see it a big problem working in 3 piece suit and no topi with big bushy beard even if it is in the thick of Wall Street.

You may further discuss these issues of da'wah in the general section inshAllah.

[Visitor]

Aslam alekum

Mufti sahib, I understand ur angle completely.
I hope u understand mine.
I am not denying shaved head is from the sunnah and I am not denying that it is afzal.
What I am saying is that all those with shaved heads would not then walk around for 40+ hours a week without headgear….why? bcos it is not in our custom/social etiquette and it is not beautiful. Imamah is beautiful hence the shaved heads were covered with this. All our social etiquette comes from the sunnah.
Hazrat Ali (raa) no doubt emulated Nabi paak (saaw) and also wore headgear over his shaved head.

I am only exploring the flexibility in the sunnah with regards to cutting hair to leave ihram.
After all nabi paak (saaw) did not make it fard to shave completely so we owe it to ourselves to explore the other variants of leaving ihram.
And there are A LOT of people (especially in Pakistan) who go on umra and who only take the trim option. But what they need to be educated on if they do take that option is how much exactly should be trimmed off…or else they would not have technically left ihram! The barbers in Haram are also responsible in knowing the rulings. It is actually a very important issue and I hope my questions have helped others inshallah.

I thank u for ur patience and ilm. Jzk khair.

Have you ever been taught where the author(s) of Shaami derived the “1/4” ruling from? Why a ¼? Why not less why not more? It’s intriguing.

[abuhajira]

The 1/4 of the head is taken from the Mas'ala of making masah of the head for wudu'.

[Visitor]

How do the ulama arrive at the ¼ figure for wudhu? And why and how do they then apply the same figure for halq?

This is a very interesting topic! I would have loved to have been in darul uloom and been able to ask all these questions from the ustads!