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    Subject: a letter from an Aalim of S Africa who now lives in Madina Munawwara - response to an Aalim who wrote in favour of "Islamic" tv channels

    Assalaamu'alaikum Warahmatullaahi Wabarakaatuh

    With due respect to the fervour you have Hazrat to serve Allah's Deen, it is possible that you may have not seen much of the modern Muslim east. I am living by the grace of Allah in the holiest lands (Madinah Munawwarah), where the media, particularly TV and radio is used to its fullest for propagating Islam. Wallaah, thumma Wallaah, my yaqeen, day in day out, only increases, that if the Arab Ulama adopted the stance that our old Indian Ulama adopted in the beginning, of making TV HARAAM, the world around here would have been different.

    Further, if you live and see the confusion of the various individuals and communities of this part of the world, in things that you wouldn't imagine in South Africa and Indo-Pak, you'll be shocked.

    When looking a little deeper, you realize it boils down to the same thing: the infuential scholars took too much effect were/are too affected by haalaat around them.

    Last week I visited Quba, and I entered the book section of the stall on the premises and spent some time there. My heart fell when going through the 'Islamic' books there. I left with worry, asking Allah from my heart to save my children, etc from ever entering and reading books from a bookstore of this nature before their knowledge of Deen becomes solid. The deviant books were of various types: one example is a fataawa book of the famous Qardawi... In it he crushed hijaab and niqaab to pieces.

    Moulana, living here in the hub makes me feel like your type of email is an imaginary one. There is absolutely no reality to serving Deen in that way. Serve Deen and get onto TV, and then... Then what? Win? Win what? Win who? How? And then where to? Win a few individuals at the expense of too much!

    In South Africa, the safety of atmosphere of Deen which was there and is fading away was due to the originality in method by our earlier scholars. No sooner any nation gives it up they're gone. At this point in time, I wish I could encapsulate the halaat of the world of the East to make others see with the lenses of someone living here. My insight into this that I have said above increases by the day. My hearts sees and aches more and more every day. The east seems finished. And it can only be attributed to them leaving the original methods.

    Two days ago, I gave a very old senior Aalim a lift. He was a saathy of Hzrt Mufti Aashiq Ilaahi RA. His heart was boiling with pain. He could not stop talking. He said: one day, outside the Haram Shareef, someone came to Hzrt Mufti Aashiq Ilaahi RA and said: come, let us go meet so and so grand mufti of a certain country in such and such hotel. Mufti Saheb said: No grand mufti of this age can match our akaabireen and elders. They can hardly implement Deen properley in there own lives, let alone giving it in its true form to others. Allah had chosen our Akaabireen, in every respect. They held onto Deen through thick and thin. They were the only ones of this age who gave life to every aspect of Deen as far as Ilm and amal is concerned.

    He then went on to give examples upon examples.

    I visited Shaikh Awwaamah recently, and we discussed the issue of womens dressing: where is it heading to. His words were: It is the effect of the Shaitaan La'een, ie TV. He then related that, fifty years ago, his brother was walking their ustaadh home from Isha, when the ustaad said: I saw in my dream that the jews have entered all the muslim homes. Two weeks later, while walking down the same street he noticed that one of the shop keepers brought in a TV set, and people gathered to see. He looked up and said: this is it. This is what I saw in my dream.

    The statement of Imam Maalik is HAQ:
    لن يصلح أخر هذه الأمة إلا ما أصلح أولها

    My heart aches to see that the only few who have been protected are beginning to tread the same path of the rest, on the same bases.

    Moulana, do you really feel convinced you going to get somewhere by opening this door under the pretext of أهون البليتين.

    Shaikh Awwaamah once said: If the Deobandis begin to stray then there is no one else left in the world (as a big group still holding HAQ in place).
    صبغة الله، ومن أحسن من الله صبغة
    Yaa Allaah! Grant us your sibghah!

    Today I met an Arab Islamic scholar. We had a lenghty discussion on the Ilmi methods used in the world. He asked me: Can't we import some of your Ulama to start up a Madrasah in some Arab country's markaz, to bring the original method of Ilm like you still have it back to life in this part of the world? He expressed his pains over the condition of Ilm here. By the way, he was a tableeghi, but a man of the soil here, a former lecturer in Islamic sciences.

    How much more am I going to go on writing. Instead of placing our Deen and the Deen of the masses at risk, why don't we give every energy we have into bringing back the originality of Sunnah, and depth of Ilm and amal, in the original ways of propagating that were adopted by EVERY NABI of Allah...
    and then see the results Sahabah achieved with no zaahiri asbaab materializing.

    Hazrat, please maaf any gustaakhi. I know that I have written with jazbah. But it is only because of what I see and experience daily.

    May Allah guide us.

    I have stopped posting on this forum as of 15/01/2013 - 2/03/1434.

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    Default Re: Lletter from an Aalim of SA who now lives in Madina - response to "Islamic" tv

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    Subject: a letter from an Aalim of S Africa who now lives in Madina Munawwara - response to an Aalim who wrote in favour of "Islamic" tv channels

    Assalaamu'alaikum Warahmatullaahi Wabarakaatuh

    With due respect to the fervour you have Hazrat to serve Allah's Deen, it is possible that you may have not seen much of the modern Muslim east. I am living by the grace of Allah in the holiest lands (Madinah Munawwarah), where the media, particularly TV and radio is used to its fullest for propagating Islam. Wallaah, thumma Wallaah, my yaqeen, day in day out, only increases, that if the Arab Ulama adopted the stance that our old Indian Ulama adopted in the beginning, of making TV HARAAM, the world around here would have been different.

    Further, if you live and see the confusion of the various individuals and communities of this part of the world, in things that you wouldn't imagine in South Africa and Indo-Pak, you'll be shocked.

    When looking a little deeper, you realize it boils down to the same thing: the infuential scholars took too much effect were/are too affected by haalaat around them.

    Last week I visited Quba, and I entered the book section of the stall on the premises and spent some time there. My heart fell when going through the 'Islamic' books there. I left with worry, asking Allah from my heart to save my children, etc from ever entering and reading books from a bookstore of this nature before their knowledge of Deen becomes solid. The deviant books were of various types: one example is a fataawa book of the famous Qardawi... In it he crushed hijaab and niqaab to pieces.

    Moulana, living here in the hub makes me feel like your type of email is an imaginary one. There is absolutely no reality to serving Deen in that way. Serve Deen and get onto TV, and then... Then what? Win? Win what? Win who? How? And then where to? Win a few individuals at the expense of too much!

    In South Africa, the safety of atmosphere of Deen which was there and is fading away was due to the originality in method by our earlier scholars. No sooner any nation gives it up they're gone. At this point in time, I wish I could encapsulate the halaat of the world of the East to make others see with the lenses of someone living here. My insight into this that I have said above increases by the day. My hearts sees and aches more and more every day. The east seems finished. And it can only be attributed to them leaving the original methods.

    Two days ago, I gave a very old senior Aalim a lift. He was a saathy of Hzrt Mufti Aashiq Ilaahi RA. His heart was boiling with pain. He could not stop talking. He said: one day, outside the Haram Shareef, someone came to Hzrt Mufti Aashiq Ilaahi RA and said: come, let us go meet so and so grand mufti of a certain country in such and such hotel. Mufti Saheb said: No grand mufti of this age can match our akaabireen and elders. They can hardly implement Deen properley in there own lives, let alone giving it in its true form to others. Allah had chosen our Akaabireen, in every respect. They held onto Deen through thick and thin. They were the only ones of this age who gave life to every aspect of Deen as far as Ilm and amal is concerned.

    He then went on to give examples upon examples.

    I visited Shaikh Awwaamah recently, and we discussed the issue of womens dressing: where is it heading to. His words were: It is the effect of the Shaitaan La'een, ie TV. He then related that, fifty years ago, his brother was walking their ustaadh home from Isha, when the ustaad said: I saw in my dream that the jews have entered all the muslim homes. Two weeks later, while walking down the same street he noticed that one of the shop keepers brought in a TV set, and people gathered to see. He looked up and said: this is it. This is what I saw in my dream.

    The statement of Imam Maalik is HAQ:
    ?? ???? ??? ??? ????? ??? ?? ???? ?????

    My heart aches to see that the only few who have been protected are beginning to tread the same path of the rest, on the same bases.

    Moulana, do you really feel convinced you going to get somewhere by opening this door under the pretext of ???? ????????.

    Shaikh Awwaamah once said: If the Deobandis begin to stray then there is no one else left in the world (as a big group still holding HAQ in place).
    ???? ????? ??? ???? ?? ???? ????
    Yaa Allaah! Grant us your sibghah!

    Today I met an Arab Islamic scholar. We had a lenghty discussion on the Ilmi methods used in the world. He asked me: Can't we import some of your Ulama to start up a Madrasah in some Arab country's markaz, to bring the original method of Ilm like you still have it back to life in this part of the world? He expressed his pains over the condition of Ilm here. By the way, he was a tableeghi, but a man of the soil here, a former lecturer in Islamic sciences.

    How much more am I going to go on writing. Instead of placing our Deen and the Deen of the masses at risk, why don't we give every energy we have into bringing back the originality of Sunnah, and depth of Ilm and amal, in the original ways of propagating that were adopted by EVERY NABI of Allah...
    and then see the results Sahabah achieved with no zaahiri asbaab materializing.

    Hazrat, please maaf any gustaakhi. I know that I have written with jazbah. But it is only because of what I see and experience daily.

    May Allah guide us.

    Extremely inspiring words.

    Btw I am making serious plans to make hijrah to haramain by mid-2013.

    Perhaps you should pass me your e-mail, may be Allah ta'aala may select me to be part of this noble effort:

    Today I met an Arab Islamic scholar. We had a lenghty discussion on the Ilmi methods used in the world. He asked me: Can't we import some of your Ulama to start up a Madrasah in some Arab country's markaz, to bring the original method of Ilm like you still have it back to life in this part of the world? He expressed his pains over the condition of Ilm here. By the way, he was a tableeghi, but a man of the soil here, a former lecturer in Islamic sciences.

    How much more am I going to go on writing. Instead of placing our Deen and the Deen of the masses at risk, why don't we give every energy we have into bringing back the originality of Sunnah, and depth of Ilm and amal, in the original ways of propagating that were adopted by EVERY NABI of Allah...

    Ameen, tsumma Ameen,
    and then see the results Sahabah achieved with no zaahiri asbaab materializing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abul Lais View Post
    Extremely inspiring words.

    Btw I am making serious plans to make hijrah to haramain by mid-2013.

    Perhaps you should pass me your e-mail, may be Allah ta'aala may select me to be part of this noble effort:

    Today I met an Arab Islamic scholar. We had a lenghty discussion on the Ilmi methods used in the world. He asked me: Can't we import some of your Ulama to start up a Madrasah in some Arab country's markaz, to bring the original method of Ilm like you still have it back to life in this part of the world? He expressed his pains over the condition of Ilm here. By the way, he was a tableeghi, but a man of the soil here, a former lecturer in Islamic sciences.

    How much more am I going to go on writing. Instead of placing our Deen and the Deen of the masses at risk, why don't we give every energy we have into bringing back the originality of Sunnah, and depth of Ilm and amal, in the original ways of propagating that were adopted by EVERY NABI of Allah...

    Ameen, tsumma Ameen,
    and then see the results Sahabah achieved with no zaahiri asbaab materializing.


    The above letter is penned by a South African 'alim residing in Madinah. I do not have his email but this above email of his has been circulated widely here.

    May Allah accept you for the din and make you a source of guidance for mankind. Amin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by afriki_haqq View Post
    :salam;

    The above letter is penned by a South African 'alim residing in Madinah. I do not have his email but this above email of his has been circulated widely here.

    May Allah accept you for the din and make you a source of guidance for mankind. Amin.

    Wa'alaikum salaam

    no probs then.

    What's your e-mail btw?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abul Lais View Post
    Wa'alaikum salaam

    no probs then.

    What's your e-mail btw?
    Click on signature and leave a reply on the website. I will contact you
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    Should a Salafi or Barelwi have taken the opportunity to come on air and his/her ideas started trending in society based on this decision. What would our deobandi ulama say? would we then regret not having taken the opportunity? it’s no use we say that haq cannot be propogated through baatil because we have seen that this media can work.

    Let’s be mature about the debate, don’t bring emotions into it. We have too much emotional ransom when it comes to issues that seem to be divisive. This questioning along the lines of whether beloved Habeeb alyahis salaam would come on TV or what would the akaabir do or what the moulana's teaches have to say, whats the purpose of it?


    The letter is indeed thought provoking and regrets will live with us through every age.
    There is no limit to what a man can achieve, as longs as it does not matter who takes the credit for it!


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    sorry for off the topoc
    br.mospik will u mail me?i have 1 work


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    where will i find your e-mail addy? alternately you can ask Colonel for mine
    There is no limit to what a man can achieve, as longs as it does not matter who takes the credit for it!


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    Quote Originally Posted by mospike View Post
    where will i find your e-mail addy? alternately you can ask Colonel for mine
    left bar of www.attablig.com


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    The "Press Statement" (read fatwa) of the Jamiat, legalizing the appearance of their molvis on the screen:

    PRESS STATEMENT
    (For immediate release)

    The Jamiatul Ulama South Africa is acutely aware of the impact of media on society. It is equally conscious of the overwhelming harms of the different forms of electronic media in general, and television in particular.

    The pervasive impact of the media, has prompted some Ulama to appear on television with a view to protect the Imaan of the unwary masses. Jamiatul Ulama South Africa however does neither promote nor condemn the appearance of Ulama on television in their individual capacity as a means of combating widespread misinformation and propaganda against Islam.

    The Jamiat’s position must not be interpreted as an endorsement of television itself, but rather as the outcome of divergent views of our senior Ulama who had deliberated on the matter. A synopsis of these deliberations of our senior Ulama is available from the Jamiat’s Offices.

    (Signed)
    Abbas Alli Jeena (Moulana)
    President
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