Where is Allah?

[Ibrahimhanifa]

At-Tabari 20:5

وقوله: { الرَّحْمَنُ عَلـى العَرْشِ اسْتَوَى } يقول تعالـى ذكره: الرحمن علـى عرشه ارتفع وعلا.

Risen, Ascend, Be elevated.

Can you please transalate the above Classical arabic text?

[Abu Zakariya Yahya]

Can you please transalate the above Classical arabic text?

There is not much to translate, Allah says "The Most Merciful is upon the throne risen": So At-Tabari said, Ar-Rahman is upon the throne Risen/Ascended, Over/On (the throne.)

This is was in reply to a person who asked what Istawa means, according to the apparent meaning of the verse.

[Ibrahimhanifa]

There is not much to translate, Allah says "The Most Merciful is upon the throne risen": So At-Tabari said, Ar-Rahman is upon the throne Risen/Ascended, Over/On (the throne.)

This is was in reply to a person who asked what Istawa means, according to the apparent meaning of the verse.

how qualified are you in classical arabic??

[Abu Zakariya Yahya]

how qualified are you in classical arabic??

Give me a scale unto which to measure and I'll give you an answer....

Otherwise what are you asking for exactly?

[Abu Zakariya Yahya]

tawil is only done when there is a need... For whatever reason the salafus saleh didnt feel a need to do tawil of the other unclear verses and hadiths...

So, according to the Ashaa'irah there is a need to do ta'weel of the Sifaat that if taken according to there apparent meaning are Tajseem (kufr) but according to Salaf no such reason occurred?

What connection???

That's my question, if the Salaf were supposedly Mufawidheen, why did they give an explanation of Allahs withness, to mean with his knowledge, and include in that, that He is above the throne?

Or were the Salaf only Mufawidheen in somethings but not others?

[junfrared]

So, according to the Ashaa'irah there is a need to do ta'weel of the Sifaat that if taken according to there apparent meaning are Tajseem (kufr) but according to Salaf no such reason occurred?

Yes, b/c Tajseem (kufr) is "Secondary" Issue of Islam

Remember that the Fitna of Tajseem (kufr) predates the Imam Abu Hanafiah r.a. (80-150), Even a/c to Kawthari and his friends the Tajseem is Jewish fitnah (and Wahabis are Jewish followers ) which means it predates Our Prophet saw (even a/c to some it is Pharaonic Fatinah which means it even predates the Jews........)


HA HA HA whata fantastic theory

[junfrared]

According to the Salaf (the first three generations) there is no indication that they took "yad" of Allah upon its literal meaning... meaning they didn't understand that Allah had a limb, which is the literal meaning of yadullah... (limb of Allah)...

There is no hadith where the Prophet (saw) said to take yadullah upon its literal meaning...

So perhaps we should remain silent about the unclear matters of the Quran... For none knows its meaning except Allah...

Unless you can prove what Allah intended by yadullah...

It is the theoretical preface of Batinyyah or Qaramitah or Mutazillah etc.....

Can you define what is clear or unclear?

Using this same theory of Unclear, Ibne Sina Kafir Batni, have rejected the Day the of Judgment, and you reject the Attributes of Allah, he say if Taweed or Illahiyyat is unclear then why not the Akhirate, which is still a secondary issue w.r.t Taweed or Illahiyyat

My innocent Brother you don't have any valid argument (means coming for Quran wa Hadith with the interpretation of Sahabah) for this Ambiguity theory of Attributes.

[Abu Zakariya Yahya]

According to the Salaf (the first three generations) there is no indication that they took "yad" of Allah upon its literal meaning... meaning they didn't understand that Allah had a limb, which is the literal meaning of yadullah... (limb of Allah)...

There is no hadith where the Prophet (saw) said to take yadullah upon its literal meaning...

So perhaps we should remain silent about the unclear matters of the Quran... For none knows its meaning except Allah...

Unless you can prove what Allah intended by yadullah...

Are you talking for yourself or the Asha'irah?

If you are talking for the Ashaa'irah provide proof...

The main REASON for Ta'weel is that the Dhaahir of the Quran is Kufr according to the Ashaa'irah, whether the Salaf took them upon the Dhaahir is another question...

Do you agree or not?

[Taliban1]

Do we have any hadith other than the slave girl hadith where this topic is discussed?

Did rasool Allah ever ask any sahabi where is Allah or taught them where is Allah?

[faqir]

Are you talking for yourself or the Asha'irah?

If you are talking for the Ashaa'irah provide proof...

The main REASON for Ta'weel is that the Dhaahir of the Quran is Kufr according to the Ashaa'irah, whether the Salaf took them upon the Dhaahir is another question...

Do you agree or not?

From the Ash'ari, Sh. Sa'id Foudah:

http://asharis.wordpress.com/2012/02...kufr-unbelief/