Where is Allah?

[Taliban1]

And then when that same person receives the print out of what the Bro. posted, and gives you the Hadith in Sahih Muslim that the Prophet asked the slave girl "Where is Allah?" and she replied, He is above the heavens. And the Prophet set her free because she was a believer, What will you then say?

Print this answer, make copies, keep it in the masjid. When someone comes and asks this question, give this to him. If they want to debate with you, tell them WE ARE NOT SCHOLARS, WE FOLLOW WHAT IS WRITTEN IN THIS. IF YOU WANT TO ARGUE, GO AND ARGUE WITH THE SCHOLAR WHO WROTE THIS.

He'll say the above.

[Taliban1]

Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala is above seven heavens, separate and distinct from His creation!
This is the I'tiqad of the Salaf as-salih.

Whoever believes other than that can never ever claim to pe upon the truth regarding this matter.

[abuhajira]

And then when that same person receives the print out of what the Bro. posted, and gives you the Hadith in Sahih Muslim that the Prophet asked the slave girl "Where is Allah?" and she replied, He is above the heavens. And the Prophet set her free because she was a believer, What will you then say?

Then the brother can say that you have made tahreef in the Hadeeth of Muslim Shareef because the wordings in that hadeeth in Sahih of Muslim is "فِي السَّمَاءِ" and not above the heavens.

Then what.. Then they all can take their fists out, punch each other until one of them survives.

[Taliban1]

And then when that same person receives the print out of what the Bro. posted, and gives you the Hadith in Sahih Muslim that the Prophet asked the slave girl "Where is Allah?" and she replied, He is above the heavens. And the Prophet set her free because she was a believer, What will you then say?

Edit: Mufti sahib pointed out "فِي السَّمَاءِ" which means in the sky. So according to Abu Jahid Al-Iraqi the slave girl was a daviant.

And if someone asks you after hearing this hadith, If Allah is above Antartica then how can he be above Artic? What will you then say? (This is not an imaginary question)

[Abu Zakariya Yahya]

From the poster:

Regarding the question, "where is Allah?"


Firstly, it should be remembered that this is not something that one will be asked about on the day of Qiyamah. We are in need of people really learning about the basics of Islam, rather than engaging themselves in these matters. Those that argue and cause destruction with such issues are normally ignorant about even the basics of Salat, Zakat, Hajj, etc... We need to really wake up and smell the coffee!

Secondly, this question in itself is wrong. We ask regarding the whereabouts of a person that lives in time and space. For example, I encompass time, meaning I live in time, and I have a body that needs to fill some space.

1) Believing in the verses about Allah being above his throne, and believing in the Hadith of Sahih Muslim is extremely important and simple really and is part of the first part of the Shahadah, you either believe Allah is where he said he is, no where, somewhere else, or "where doesn't apply to him" even though the Prophet asked a slave girl concerning it. As for not being questioned about these, Allah knows best, perhaps he will question as to whether or not we believed in these things... How do you know? Especially when it is something in his book. Would you rather someone worship a God whom they know nothing about? Just tell a person interested in Islam, okay well we believe in Allah... but we are not sure where he is, and even though he says he is above his throne it doesn't really mean that, rather don't worry about that, just worship him.... It won't fly, sorry. It sounds like your infatuated with the 3 fundamental principles by ibn Abdul Wahhab.

2) The question is not wrong because the Prophet asked it to a slave girl, I don't care what you think about the space time continuum it has nothing to do with my religion and belief in Allah.

[Abu Zakariya Yahya]

Then the brother can say that you have made tahreef in the Hadeeth of Muslim Shareef because the wordings in that hadeeth in Sahih of Muslim is "فِي السَّمَاءِ" and not above the heavens.

Then what.. Then they all can take their fists out, punch each other until one of them survives.

Then we can stop pretending like the word "Fi sama'a" can't mean above according to the 'Arabic language...

As for fighting, I'm not much into fighting other Muslims, sorry.

[warea]

And then when that same person receives the print out of what the Bro. posted, and gives you the Hadith in Sahih Muslim that the Prophet asked the slave girl "Where is Allah?" and she replied, He is above the heavens. And the Prophet set her free because she was a believer, What will you then say?

What should a salafi say by his own standards? A salafi has to llook at the context too and see what is "apparent" so that the salafi would not contridict his own methodology when he explained away the verse that says Allah is near Q 2:186. The context of this hadith is on knowing whether she was a believer. Now tell us in what apparent sense does that question explain whether she was a believer or not ? Have you attempted finding out whether a person is a believer as opposed to idolator by that question? In what sense if so ?

[Abu Zakariya Yahya]

(Pharaoh) said: "Believe ye in Him before I give you permission? Surely this must be your leader, who has taught you magic! be sure I will cut off your hands and feet on opposite sides, and I will have you crucified on trunks of palm-trees: so shall ye know for certain, which of us can give the more severe and the more lasting punishment!" 20:71,

Fi with the meaning of 'Alaa

[Abu Zakariya Yahya]

What should a salafi say by his own standards? A salafi has to llook at the context too and see what is "apparent" so that the salafi would not contridict his own methodology when he explained away the verse that says Allah is near Q 2:186. The context of this hadith is on knowing whether she was a believer. Now tell us in what apparent sense does that question explain whether she was a believer or not ? Have you attempted finding out whether a person is a believer as opposed to idolator by that question? In what sense if so ?

The methodology of the Salafis is to look at what the Salaf said, where did the Salaf say "Allah is not above the 'Arsh"?

However, the Salaf DID say "With his 'ilm he is close, and he is above the 'Arsh."

The other part of your question has nothing to do with what we are talking about, and doesn't even make sense.

At the end of the day did the Prophet ask her, "Where is Allah?" Yes, now it's up to you to decide what he meant by that.

My point is, the question is legitimate whether you like it or not.

[Maripat]

And then when that same person receives the print out of what the Bro. posted, and gives you the Hadith in Sahih Muslim that the Prophet asked the slave girl "Where is Allah?" and she replied, He is above the heavens. And the Prophet set her free because she was a believer, What will you then say?

That was the answer of the slave girl.
If a free girl would have give the same answer then perhaps the consequences would be the opposite.

So if the query that OP faced is guileless then the answer has already been given. If not then the questioner has got a good probability of being a fitnah. When Allah (SWT) has told us that there is none unto like Him then that is it. Any one insisting upon knowing the location of Allah (SWT) has got a disease in his heart and he has no right to inflict injury to other people's faith. One is not supposed to be inquisitive about Cryptic Verses and that is it. Any one insisting otherwise is betraying the presence of disease in his heart heart. And the same goes with those who present solution to the problem, problem that we are not supposed to address, with catchy title like Salaf-e-Saliheen to the common people.