- Hanbalis and others follow it and there is a third type - Ameen bil Shar (fitnah) and these people said this ameen.
میرے مالک یہ احمد کی سن لے دعا
ہو مقدر میں ہر سال دید حرم
یا جبال الحرم یا جبال الحرم
دین کے ہر کام کرنے والے کے رفیق بنو فریق نہیں
The question would be legitimate depending on what he means. All you do now as a typical salafi is construct sentences without any meaning being clarified. And i bet you don't even know the meaning of what you just said.
As for those saying that we won't be asked regarding it: It's obligatory to believe whatever Allah ta'ala and his messenger (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) said!
And: The teachers of Imam Bukhari (rahimahullah) said that rejecting the 'Uluw of Allah ta'ala is Kufr!
The Prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) said:
الراحمون يرحمهم الرحمن ، ارحموا من في الأرض يرحمكم من في السماء
Those who show mercy will be shown mercy by the Most Merciful. Show mercy to those who are on earth and the One Who is above the heaven (fis sama`) will show mercy to you.
Source: Abu Dawud 13/285, al-Tirmidhi 6/43
(Note: Anyone saying that "fis sama`" does not mean "above the heaven" either acts as if he does not understand Arabic or he does not know Arabic.)
And here are Ahadith which explictly say "fawq" ("فوق"), so what will you claim now?:
فكانت زينب تفخر على أزواج النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم تقول زوجكن أهاليكن وزوجني الله تعالى من فوق سبع سموات
So Zaynab [bint Jahsh] (radhiallahu 'anha) used to claim excellence over the rest of the wives of the Prophet - sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam - by telling them: “It was only your parents who gave you in marriage [to the Prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam)], while it is Allah ta'ala Who gave me in marriage [to him] from above seven heavens”
Source: Sahih al-Bukhari: http://www.islamweb.net/newlibrary/d...id=0&startno=2
The Prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) told to Sa'd bin Mu'adh (radhiallahu 'anhu) to give a judgement regarding the Bani Quraydhah. After he gave the judgement the Prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) said to him:
لَقَدْ حَكَمْتَ فِيهِمْ بِحُكْمِ الْمَلِكِ مِنْ فَوْقِ سَبْعِ سَمَاوَاتٍ
You have judged them in confirmation to the judgement of the King from above seven heavens.
Source: "Al-'Uluw" by adh-Dhahabi (rahimahullah), he says that it was reported by an-Nasa`i (rahimahullah) and says that it's sahih: http://islamweb.net/hadith/display_h...942&pid=328648
Ibn 'Abbas (radhiallahu 'anhu) said to Umm ul-Mu`minin 'A`ishah (radhiallahu 'anha):
وأنزل الله براءتك من فوق سبع سموات
And Allah has sent down your innocence from above seven heavens.
Source: Musnad Imam Ahmad: http://www.islamweb.net/newlibrary/d...k_no=6&ID=2366
Last edited by Abu Jahid; 23-06-2012 at 01:55 PM.
If every human is unique, every human has a different understanding and perception of their Lord.
So every unique human, unless you can read intention, and know ones level of education, and ones level of socialisation, has a legitimate right to ask this question and any question relating to Deen, so long as they maintain a level of adaab.
Is that incorrect ?
(2) I am not Ahlul Athar.
(3) It is unnecessary to be Ahlul Athar.
(4) It does worry me as to why Hanaabilah have allowed their Madh-hab to be hijacked but that is not the point of discussion.
(5) And if beloved Rasoolallah (PBUH) did ask the slave girl as to where is Allah (SWT) then the situation is clear. The question is whether she takes one of the statues as worthy of worship which she did not. Radhi Allahu Anha. If she did say up in the sky then it is the correct answer because a slave girl is not supposed to know the word transcendental. And when she said above in the sky then she did mean that only.