Where is Allah?

[Abu Zakariya Yahya]

That was the answer of the slave girl.
If a free girl would have give the same answer then perhaps the consequences would be the opposite.

So if the query that OP faced is guileless then the answer has already been given. If not then the questioner has got a good probability of being a fitnah. When Allah (SWT) has told us that there is none unto like Him then that is it. Any one insisting upon knowing the location of Allah (SWT) has got a disease in his heart and he has no right to inflict injury to other people's faith. One is not supposed to be inquisitive about Cryptic Verses and that is it. Any one insisting otherwise is betraying the presence of disease in his heart heart. And the same goes with those who present solution to the problem, problem that we are not supposed to address, with catchy title like Salaf-e-Saliheen to the common people.

I disagree, and that is all based upon your opinion, and possibly your Madhab in 'Aqeedah but is not the method of Ahlul Athar and the Hanaabilah.

[Abu Zakariya Yahya]

What kind of person will come to masjed and ask this types of question!! A complete Jahil!!! hence a kutta in human form.
Simple believer ought to leave this types of disscussion within the scholarly circle.

You're right, maybe he was a new Muslim who just became Muslim yesterday. So you will call him some strange urdu names and call him ignorant? Perhaps with your answer you will make him, leave Islam, rather than just keeping it simple.

[Taliban1]

What kind of person will come to masjed and ask this types of question!! A complete Jahil!!! hence a kutta in human form.
Simple believer ought to leave this types of disscussion within the scholarly circle.

Hazrat Hakeem ul Ummah related an incident in his books. Some people went to some hanafi mosques and said Ameen bil Jahr. A fight broke out after salah and police came. The matter went to the court of a hindu. The Hindu judge said, There are three types of Ameen - Ameen Bil Sir and Hanafis follow this, Ameen bil Jahr
- Hanbalis and others follow it and there is a third type - Ameen bil Shar (fitnah) and these people said this ameen.

[ahamed_sharif]

Hazrat Hakeem ul Ummah related an incident in his books. Some people went to some hanafi mosques and said Ameen bil Jahr. A fight broke out after salah and police came. The matter went to the court of a hindu. The Hindu judge said, There are three types of Ameen - Ameen Bil Sir and Hanafis follow this, Ameen bil Jahr
- Hanbalis and others follow it and there is a third type - Ameen bil Shar (fitnah) and these people said this ameen.

Assalamu alaykum

Also push everyone else to 72 sects, so that they can claim that they are from 73rd sect. And then go and play football in empty jannah.

[warea]

The methodology of the Salafis is to look at what the Salaf said, where did the Salaf say "Allah is not above the 'Arsh"?

However, the Salaf DID say "With his 'ilm he is close, and he is above the 'Arsh."

The other part of your question has nothing to do with what we are talking about, and doesn't even make sense.

At the end of the day did the Prophet ask her, "Where is Allah?" Yes, now it's up to you to decide what he meant by that.

My point is, the question is legitimate whether you like it or not.

That's a modern day salafi fallacy. For what is said is not mere textual but carry's a authentic meaning too. Thats why the early salaf refused textual transmission of narrations unless accompanied by oral transmission and found text only transmission as inferior and only later when its need came to be did text gain some relevance. Therefore this fallacious way of trying to textually say someting that resembles the salaf means nothing and is useless unless you prove that the meaning you affirm is also what they meant.

The question would be legitimate depending on what he means. All you do now as a typical salafi is construct sentences without any meaning being clarified. And i bet you don't even know the meaning of what you just said.

[Abu Jahid]

Allah is where He ever was before He created any creation. Time and place or direction does not apply to Him. This i s ijma of all of ahlus sunnah. When this is understood then the question of "where" can be answered from various perspectives based on what you take as a point of reference to explain it. So you'll find answers formulated in different ways from different Quranic or rational perspectives, but they all maintain the same reality mentioned at first and do not contridict it.

While the deviants are those who attribute place and time to Allah.

Why do you mention time and place, while we did not mention it? Or do you you apply the definitions that apply to us (i.e. created beings) to Allah ta'ala (i.e. the creator)? If that's the case then you should accuse yourself of Tashbih and not others!

As for those saying that we won't be asked regarding it: It's obligatory to believe whatever Allah ta'ala and his messenger (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) said!

And: The teachers of Imam Bukhari (rahimahullah) said that rejecting the 'Uluw of Allah ta'ala is Kufr!

And then when that same person receives the print out of what the Bro. posted, and gives you the Hadith in Sahih Muslim that the Prophet asked the slave girl "Where is Allah?" and she replied, He is above the heavens. And the Prophet set her free because she was a believer, What will you then say?

Additionally to what the brother Abu Zakariya has mentioned:

The Prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) said:

الراحمون يرحمهم الرحمن ، ارحموا من في الأرض يرحمكم من في السماء

Those who show mercy will be shown mercy by the Most Merciful. Show mercy to those who are on earth and the One Who is above the heaven (fis sama`) will show mercy to you.

Source: Abu Dawud 13/285, al-Tirmidhi 6/43

(Note: Anyone saying that "fis sama`" does not mean "above the heaven" either acts as if he does not understand Arabic or he does not know Arabic.)

And here are Ahadith which explictly say "fawq" ("فوق"), so what will you claim now?:

فكانت زينب تفخر على أزواج النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم تقول زوجكن أهاليكن وزوجني الله تعالى من فوق سبع سموات

So Zaynab [bint Jahsh] (radhiallahu 'anha) used to claim excellence over the rest of the wives of the Prophet - sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam - by telling them: “It was only your parents who gave you in marriage [to the Prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam)], while it is Allah ta'ala Who gave me in marriage [to him] from above seven heavens”

Source: Sahih al-Bukhari: http://www.islamweb.net/newlibrary/d...id=0&startno=2

The Prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) told to Sa'd bin Mu'adh (radhiallahu 'anhu) to give a judgement regarding the Bani Quraydhah. After he gave the judgement the Prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) said to him:

لَقَدْ حَكَمْتَ فِيهِمْ بِحُكْمِ الْمَلِكِ مِنْ فَوْقِ سَبْعِ سَمَاوَاتٍ

You have judged them in confirmation to the judgement of the King from above seven heavens.

Source: "Al-'Uluw" by adh-Dhahabi (rahimahullah), he says that it was reported by an-Nasa`i (rahimahullah) and says that it's sahih: http://islamweb.net/hadith/display_h...942&pid=328648

Ibn 'Abbas (radhiallahu 'anhu) said to Umm ul-Mu`minin 'A`ishah (radhiallahu 'anha):

وأنزل الله براءتك من فوق سبع سموات

And Allah has sent down your innocence from above seven heavens.

Source: Musnad Imam Ahmad: http://www.islamweb.net/newlibrary/d...k_no=6&ID=2366

[Abu Zakariya Yahya]

Assalamu alaykum

Also push everyone else to 72 sects, so that they can claim that they are from 73rd sect. And then go and play football in empty jannah.

May Allah make us all of Ahlul Jannah, Ameen. Besides I don't like soccer (football) and I hope I'm busy with Hoors.

[TheEqualizer]

If every human is unique, every human has a different understanding and perception of their Lord.

So every unique human, unless you can read intention, and know ones level of education, and ones level of socialisation, has a legitimate right to ask this question and any question relating to Deen, so long as they maintain a level of adaab.

Is that incorrect ?

[Maripat]

I disagree, and that is all based upon your opinion, and possibly your Madhab in 'Aqeedah but is not the method of Ahlul Athar and the Hanaabilah.

(1) Thanks for disagreeing.
(2) I am not Ahlul Athar.
(3) It is unnecessary to be Ahlul Athar.
(4) It does worry me as to why Hanaabilah have allowed their Madh-hab to be hijacked but that is not the point of discussion.
(5) And if beloved Rasoolallah (PBUH) did ask the slave girl as to where is Allah (SWT) then the situation is clear. The question is whether she takes one of the statues as worthy of worship which she did not. Radhi Allahu Anha. If she did say up in the sky then it is the correct answer because a slave girl is not supposed to know the word transcendental. And when she said above in the sky then she did mean that only.

[Maripat]

Hazrat Hakeem ul Ummah related an incident in his books. Some people went to some hanafi mosques and said Ameen bil Jahr. A fight broke out after salah and police came. The matter went to the court of a hindu. The Hindu judge said, There are three types of Ameen - Ameen Bil Sir and Hanafis follow this, Ameen bil Jahr
- Hanbalis and others follow it and there is a third type - Ameen bil Shar (fitnah) and these people said this ameen.

The moral is that the matter can be explained to a non-believer too. That some believers find it difficult to understand will not be so problematic if they kept the things to those to whom these things belong - the scholars.