Tahreef in the quran

[the-truth]

Salaam,

I'm aware that this topic may have come up many times before but I couldn't stop myself from asking.

At a basic level, when we consider the many variant readings of the quran we naturally infer that, while they may be equally valid, not all of them can be correct. Even a small grammatical difference can result in widely dissimilar interpretations. It would also be ludicrous to assume that the quran was revealed to the Holy Prophet in tens of different ways.

For example, yara vs tara in 2:165. Both cannot be correct; at least one has to be false; there's no other way around it. But does this not then validate tahreef? From this doesn't tahreef become a historical fact?

Thanks

[the-truth]

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[Ibn-e-Adam]

Salaam,

I'm aware that this topic may have come up many times before but I couldn't stop myself from asking.

At a basic level, when we consider the many variant readings of the quran we naturally infer that, while they may be equally valid, not all of them can be correct. Even a small grammatical difference can result in widely dissimilar interpretations. It would also be ludicrous to assume that the quran was revealed to the Holy Prophet in tens of different ways.

For example, yara vs tara in 2:165. Both cannot be correct; at least one has to be false; there's no other way around it. But does this not then validate tahreef? From this doesn't tahreef become a historical fact?

Thanks

All Ten modes of recitation are unarguably muatawatir. To question their validity is absolutely absurd and crazy.

[the-truth]

Thanks for replying.

Then how would you reconcile the apparent differences; was a single Quranic verse revealed to the Holy Prophet in numerous ways?

Also, the different recitations all exist within only one of the seven ahruf indicating that all these other methods of qir'at branched off from one single method. For each harf there can only be one correct method of recitation and since 10 branch off from one, some of them - at least - must be wrong regardless of a mutawatir transmission.

[Jadeed]

Do you know Arabic?

Have you read the book 'The History of the Qur'anic Text' by Muhammad Mustafa al-A'zami (hafidahullah)?

Then how would you reconcile the apparent differences; was a single Quranic verse revealed to the Holy Prophet in numerous ways?

Read this entire article.

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Qur...raat/hafs.html

And this: http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Qur...s/qirmans.html

[the-truth]

Do you know Arabic?

Have you read the book 'The History of the Qur'anic Text' by Muhammad Mustafa al-A'zami (hafidahullah)?



Read this entire article.

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Qur...raat/hafs.html

And this: http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Qur...s/qirmans.html

Unfortunately i don't know arabic.

Thanks for the links, I'll take a look at them.

[the-truth]

I still feel that my question has not been adequately resolved.

While the quran was revealed to the Prophet according to seven ahruf, the mutawatir recitations we have today branch from a single harf meaning that the differences between the recitations - regardless of how sound their transmission - are all man made and not divinely sanctioned [only the ahruf have been divinely revealed].

One could argue that the differences don't affect the meaning but they do. For example, in verse 2:10 of the Hafs version it states "yakdhibuuna = they lied" whereas in the Warsh version 2:09 it says "yukadhdhibuuna = they were lied to". This completely changes the meant and the true import of the quranic verse. Since this is a difference between the qira'at and not the divinely sanctioned ahruf, at the very least one of the readings of this verse must be false - but then this shows that while the true quran remains in skeletal form, we can infer from the different recitations that it has surely been changed.

[Ibn-e-Adam]

Without knowing your intent of asking these questions and religion you practice, it would be of no value to reply.

[the-truth]

Without knowing your intent of asking these questions and religion you practice, it would be of no value to reply.

I'm muslim and am seeking to come to terms with this apparent paradox; I in no way mean to degrade Islam and am purely seeking knowledge on this issue. I'm sorry for continuing to bombard you all with these questions but I have yet to find a logically satisfying and historically factual answer for my query.

[Jadeed]

I'm muslim and am seeking to come to terms with this apparent paradox; I in no way mean to degrade Islam and am purely seeking knowledge on this issue. I'm sorry for continuing to bombard you all with these questions but I have yet to find a logically satisfying and historically factual answer for my query.

Actually, if you believe tahreef is a possibility, then you're not a Muslim at all.

The various methods have all been traced back to the Prophet(P) through a number of Sahaabah who were most noted for their Qur'anic recitations. That is, these Sahaabah recited the Qur'an to the Prophet(P) or in his presence and received his approval. Among them were the following: Ubayy Ibn K'ab, 'Alee Ibn Abi Taalib, Zayd Ibn Thaabit, 'Abdullah Ibn Mas'ud, Abu ad-Dardaa and Abu Musaa al-Ash'aree.

If you claim that the Qiraat constitute tahreef then you're claiming that the Prophet approved of tahreef.