Congregational Witr - 2+1; How should a Hanafi respond?

[SASLAMS]

The Fuqahaa have stated:
If the Shafi’ee Imam makes a general intention of witr salaat, it will be permissible to follow him. However, if he makes an intention of performing sunna or nafl witr, he cannot be followed. Generally, muqtadi’s are unaware of the intention of the Imam. Hence, Ihtiyaat will be to perform salaat individually

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In the shafi'ee madhab. if general intention is made then that salah would still not be accepted as wajib. so there would still be a problem. the intention of a fardh has to state three things. 1. the thing you doing (usalli) ; the type of salah (dhuhr, subuh); & you must mention fardh. so i would think it would be impossible for the Imaam to intent a fardh for a general intention because he would have to say "fardhan" in he's intention. A general intention will only be valid for a sunnah salah. we can make three rakaats in one go though but it still wouldnt be sufficient. i would suggest the brother team up with a few others & make the last few rakaats of taraweeh together & then the witr.

[SASLAMS]

Mufti Saheb if the above was true then how come Hanafi do Salam with "Sajda Sa'oo" before completing their salah in case of breaking a wajib whilst salah?

i think the issue is more that the imaams salah is terminated

[SASLAMS]

I think that witr with three rakah with one sitting all throughout is also an option in the shafi'i madhab. Dont know what to make of the prolonged sajdahs. Any shafi'i brother who can further explain this, or muftu abuhajira?

maybe the imaam forgot to make the first tashahhud. we still have to make two tashahhud as in maghrib. shafis only make qunoot in the second half of ramadhan. the long sujidah is perhabs just the imaams wish for extra dua.

[mohtashims]

i think the issue is more that the imaams salah is terminated

Sorry, I did not get this.. can you please explain clearly ...

[SASLAMS]

Sorry, I did not get this.. can you please explain clearly ...

the shafi' imaams salah is terminated with the first tasleem(valid for him but not for you), & since this is witr & its wajib for the ahnaaf to read three full rakaats then your salah would be invalid because the imaams salah is invalid according your madhab.

[ukbaz]

just wanted to confirm something.
in the mosque i pray taraweeh the witr is read as 3 rakaats, but the dua is read after the ruku with hands raised,(shafi method).

I have read on this forum that a hanafi can join in and also raise his hands and say 'ameen' to the dua's, that this will not invalidate the witr, i cant find the fatawa though, can someone please confirm this is correct and perhaps post the fatawa,

[Adil Faiyaz]

It is permissible to follow a Shaf’ee Imam in witr prayers on the condition that he does not make salam after the second rakah. The Hanafi followers will say their qunoot the when the Shaf’ee Imam says it; after the ruku’.

If the Imam makes salam after the second rakah and then performs the third rakah separately, the witr of the hanafi followers will not be valid.

Al-Durr al-Mukhtar ma’ Rad al-Muhtar (2:7) Dar al-Fikr

Al-Fatawa al-Hindiya (1:111) Maktaba Rasheediya



- (وصح الاقتداء فيه) ففي غيره أولى إن لم يتحقق منه ما يفسدها في الأصح كما بسطه في البحر (بشافعي) مثلا (لم يفصله بسلام) لا إن فصله (على الأصح) فيهما للاتحاد وإن اختلف الاعتقاد (و) لذا (ينوب الوتر لا الوتر الواجب كما في العيدين) للاختلاف (ويأتي المأموم بقنوت الوتر) ولو بشافعي يقنت بعد الركوع لأنه مجتهد فيه (الدر المختار)

- ولو صلى الوتر بمن يقنت في الوتر بعد الركوع في القومة والمقتدي لا يرى ذلك تابعه فيه . هكذا في فتاوى قاضي خان (الفتاوى الهندية)

And Allah knows best

Wassalam

Ml. Ehzaz Ajmeri,
Student Darul Iftaa

Checked and Approved by:

Mufti Ebrahim Desai
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...l=1#post230165

First page of this thread.

[NNoor]

The imam who is leading tarawih at my masjid proposed the following method of witr, and said that it is acceptable to all mazahib:

3 rakat with one taslim, but qunut is read aloud by the imam after ruku.

Is it really acceptable to all mazahib?

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[alfatiha]

maybe the imaam forgot to make the first tashahhud. we still have to make two tashahhud as in maghrib. shafis only make qunoot in the second half of ramadhan. the long sujidah is perhabs just the imaams wish for extra dua.

the 3-rakaat one-salam without tashahhud awwal is an option in Shafi'i madhhab.

[a.s.]

the 3-rakaat one-salam without tashahhud awwal is an option in Shafi'i madhhab.

for confirming akhi.