Please suggest me which Publisher's tafsser?

**sohail009** · 09-07-2012, 09:55 AM

aslam-o-alaikum brothers and sisters

I am planing to buy Quran with Urdu Tafseer of Ibn-e-Kathir (Kasir), in market there are many publishers available? And i am really having hard time to select which publisher i should go with ? Can you please help me selecting or suggestion which publisher i should go for?

Like I saw on net Darus Salam have 10 volumes while Daul ishaat have 5 volumes both tafseer is given by Ibn-e-Kathir? I am looking for something written in Urdu but Easy Urdu

Please help me select?

and also i have one question what is the difference b/w all publisher, when Ibn-e-Kathir is providing the tafseer in both publishers then what's the major difference?

**bint_azam** · 10-07-2012, 01:32 AM

Dar us Salam publishers are not good. They are well known to abridge the text in such a way that it suits and conveys their perspective. I have a few of their books, including their English Tafseer ibn Kathir 10 vols, and I've read them some of them, so it is best to avoid them. Unless one has read the original works in Arabic, and then compares it to the translation, one can never tell that there have been changes made.

As for other publishers, I'm not sure. usually Darul Ishaat has good quality, but the main thing is to look at who the translator is.

I've heard from a Mufti in Pakistan say that there is an urdu translation of Tafseer ibn Katheer done by someone, and this translation is very widespread. In this translation, the translator has changed many parts of Hafiz Ibn Katheer (RAH)'s words and has done not just the wrong translation, but opposite translation. I was trying to find out the name of the translator, but I can't remember and I can't find the audio of the Mufti where he had mentioned it in his bayan.

In'sha Allah, if I find the name, i will mention it in this thread.

I hope that others will add to this thread in'sha Allah.

**sohail009** · 10-07-2012, 04:45 AM

Originally Posted by bint_azam

Dar us Salam publishers are not good. They are well known to abridge the text in such a way that it suits and conveys their perspective. I have a few of their books, including their English Tafseer ibn Kathir 10 vols, and I've read them some of them, so it is best to avoid them. Unless one has read the original works in Arabic, and then compares it to the translation, one can never tell that there have been changes made.

As for other publishers, I'm not sure. usually Darul Ishaat has good quality, but the main thing is to look at who the translator is.

I've heard from a Mufti in Pakistan say that there is an urdu translation of Tafseer ibn Katheer done by someone, and this translation is very widespread. In this translation, the translator has changed many parts of Hafiz Ibn Katheer (RAH)'s words and has done not just the wrong translation, but opposite translation. I was trying to find out the name of the translator, but I can't remember and I can't find the audio of the Mufti where he had mentioned it in his bayan.

In'sha Allah, if I find the name, i will mention it in this thread.

I hope that others will add to this thread in'sha Allah.

JazakALLAH for your kind reply. I also do not remember the name of Translator, and Yes i am looking for someone who translate word to word of what Ibn-e-Kathir has written. I will try to avoid Darus Salam, maybe I can reply back once I get the name of translator.

**sohail009** · 10-07-2012, 05:33 AM

Aslam-o-Alaikum Sister, i spoke to Darul Ishat, they said the translator name is "Moulana Mohammad Jonagari"

Please confirm if this is suppose to be the good one, without adding personal or own comments rather than what Ibn-e-Kathir has said.

**bint_azam** · 14-07-2012, 12:13 AM

Walaikum Assalam,

I was finally able check it. Mufti Zarwali on Day 2 of his 2012 dawra tafseer has mentioned that the Urdu translation of Tafseer Ibn Kathir by Maulana Jonagari has "tahreef", changes and is not reliable. If you want to check go to recording of Day 2 at 79 minutes, he mentions it. You can download it here.
http://serveislam.com/Media/JAU/Tafs...2_day_02-L.mp3

In last year's dawra tafseer he had given the details, that wherever Hafiz Ibn Kathir (RA) had written that this ayat of Quran proves the Hanafi position, Ml. Jonagari has changed it saying that this verse is proof against the Hanafi position. Along with other changes.

As for Darus Salam, they always remove Hadiths which they consider weak, which are not necessarily weak.

**sohail009** · 15-07-2012, 05:10 AM

Originally Posted by bint_azam

Walaikum Assalam,

I was finally able check it. Mufti Zarwali on Day 2 of his 2012 dawra tafseer has mentioned that the Urdu translation of Tafseer Ibn Kathir by Maulana Jonagari has "tahreef", changes and is not reliable. If you want to check go to recording of Day 2 at 79 minutes, he mentions it. You can download it here.
http://serveislam.com/Media/JAU/Tafs...2_day_02-L.mp3

In last year's dawra tafseer he had given the details, that wherever Hafiz Ibn Kathir (RA) had written that this ayat of Quran proves the Hanafi position, Ml. Jonagari has changed it saying that this verse is proof against the Hanafi position. Along with other changes.

As for Darus Salam, they always remove Hadiths which they consider weak, which are not necessarily weak.

aslam-o-alaikum

So it means it almost impossible or not available a version of translation which has been translated word to word from Ibn-e-Kathir (RA). I was actually expecting a tafseer translation of Ibn-e-Kahir which suppose to be word to word.?

And yes the one which i found at Darul Ishaat is translted by Mulllana Jonagari and i think it's same is given by Darus Salam. I am not sure but i think so.

If ever you find any copy from any publisher please do not let me know.

Aslam-o-Alaikum

**imran_5** · 05-08-2012, 02:04 AM

As Salam o Alaikum Wa Rehmat ULLAHI Wa Barakaatuhu,

Brother Sohail, Please go ahead and get yourself the Tafseer by Maulana Jonagari from Dar Us Salam. It is one of the best you will get. I have it myself.
Sister Bint_Azam just referred to Zarwali Khan who is one of the Heads of Deobandi school of thought in Pakistan. These people are Hanafis so they hate anyone who finds out mistakes in their mazhab.

They cant quote from Maulana Johnagari as to where he has done the "tehreef" (changes). They claim that he removed Ibn Kathir's comments that so and so Ayat proves the Hanafi Madhab which is irrelevant to the topic. You read a tafseer to learn The Quran (not to learn the Hanafi madhab).

Anyways. I was looking to download audio for The Quran along with Jonagari urdu and I found this post. So I registered to reply coz I couldn't stand the lie against Maulana Jonagari.
You see, Saudi Arabia publish Maulana Jonagari's translation and tafseer and give it for free in The Gulf.

You can get in touch with me through my youtube channel as well if u have any questions regarding tafseer or madhab.
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Fee Amaan ALLAH

**bint_azam** · 09-08-2012, 02:28 AM

Assalam Alaikum,

The dar us salam versions do have changes and footnotes to fit their agenda.

In the 2011 tafseer sessions of Mufti Zarwali (DB), he highlights just some of the changes that the Ml. Jonagari has made to the original of Hafiz ibn Kathir (RAH). It will be best to compare the Arabic and Urdu versions but most of us don't know Arabic.
Darus Salam Quran translations also has problems (Hilali and Muhsin Khan) ones where notes are placed inside the translation to forward their agenda and they always claim that all of the past ulama have held this opinion when it is the opposite.

Also, if Ml. Jonagari has made changes to the original, then it is best to be careful.

**imran_5** · 11-08-2012, 07:02 AM

Wa Alaikum As Salam Wa Rehmat ULLAHI Wa Barakaatuhu,

"The dar us salam versions do have changes and footnotes to fit their agenda."

Please quote the changes and the footnotes you are talking about and kindly explain their "agenda" as well.

AlhamduLILLAH, I know Arabic, kindly tell me what changes did Maulana Jonagari make to the original Ibn Kathir's Tafseer.

""Darus Salam Quran translations also has problems (Hilali and Muhsin Khan) ones where notes are placed inside the translation to forward their agenda and they always claim that all of the past ulama have held this opinion when it is the opposite.""

Kindly point out the "problems" and the "agenda" instead of making baseless allegations.

You know that you have just alleged "Dar Us Salam", "Maulana Jonagari" and "Hilali and Muhsin Khan" of Nifaaq. That is a "Bohtaan" on these Muslims. Kindly prove your point. If you can, I will warn against them, if you cant, you are answerable to ALLAH.
According to Sahih Ahadith, we come to know that the one who falsely accuses a Muslim will not be forgiven for this sin.

Please don't just blindly follow what Zar Wali Khan said. Kindly investigate.

The Deobandis hate Maulana Jonagari coz he wrote books, pointing out the mistakes in the Hanafi Madhab.

You said earlier that Maulana Jonagari removed chunks which proved the Hanafi masail. And I told that it doesn't make a difference coz we study The Quran "not" to learn the Hanafi Fiqh. (please quote what chunks were removed)
I can ask you why the Deobandi Tafaseer don't have Ahadith in the Tafseer of Surah Al Fatiha which prove that Surah Al Fatiha is to be recited in every Raka'ah of the Salah (even behind the Imam). I tell you why, coz Deobandi Mufassireen were Hanafis and they didn't mention those Ahadith coz it negates the Hanafi school of thought.

We are not to blindly follow even the Baatil issues. Kindly follow a Fiqh in the light of The Quran, The Authentic Sunnah, The Asar of the Sahaba, and The Ijma'a. But if you find various opinions in a matter, refer back to The Quran and Sunnah alone.

Jazak ALLAH Khair

**imran_5** · 11-08-2012, 07:19 AM

Brother Sohail,

I can provide u download links for Tafseer, if you want. You can read a soft copy and then decide if you want to go for a hard copy or not.