Amount of ALCOHOL in Medicines - Help Needed

[abuhajira]

i think what Silat means is that if its for external use then you put it on before you sleep & have a shower before fajr. however the shafi' madhab is not so strict when it comes to medication. I asked about the use of captuals that have gelitine covers on suni forum. the alim said that it is permissable even if there is an alternative, he did however encouraged me to avoid ikhtilaaf & try not to use any medication that has been made up of any najasah.
the reason why I asked the OP on the necessity of the medication is because he could always take a rukhsah in the shafi rulling if need be. but

No a hanafi cannot take the rukhsa in the shafi'i madhab unless there is an extreme dharoorah. That is not so in either of the cases here.

Wallahu A'lam

[SASLAMS]

No a hanafi cannot take the rukhsa in the shafi'i madhab unless there is an extreme dharoorah. That is not so in either of the cases here.

Wallahu A'lam

exactly what I said, I use the word necessity instead of Dharoorah

[silat]

@silat

The medicine being for consumption or external use will not make a difference according to Hanafiyyah. I am pretty sure Shafi'i rules are rather more strict.

assalaamu 'alaykum.
I apologise for intrusion in the hanafi fiqh forum. Maybe my posting is not appropriate.

mufti saheb,
my asking whether medicine is for external use is because my (limited) knowledge of shafie fiqh, my understanding is that... alcohol/ethanol derived from khamr making process is najis (ie najis mutawaasitah in shafie). However, to consume the najis is HARAM BUT to "carry" the najis is not a sin, yakni permissible. For this matter, if the medicine is najis but if it is for external use, it is considered only as "carrying" the najis, hence permissible.

NOTE: My comment above is from the Shafie madhhab view. However, due to my limited understanding of fiqh, I would appreciate if learned maulanas/muftis to correct me if I am wrong.

Wallaahu a'lam.

[Abu Zayd al-Atharee]

The issue of the alcohol in the homeopathic medicine is whether the alcohol is Khamr or non khamr.

In principle, alcohol derived from dates and grapes will be khamr and impermissible to use, even in smaller quantities. If the alcohol used in these medications is not derived from dates and grapes, then they will be permissible.

Taqwa would still demand opting for medication that does not have any alcohol in it.

Wallahu A'lam

As salaam alaikum wa rahmatullah,

I am suppose to use an Asthma preventer which has Ethanol in it. Does all Ethanol come from actual Dates or Grapes?

[abuhajira]

As salaam alaikum wa rahmatullah,

I am suppose to use an Asthma preventer which has Ethanol in it. Does all Ethanol come from actual Dates or Grapes?

Actually as per my information it is very seldom that you would find dates or grapes derived alcohol in any commercial product unless it is designed for the derivative of them both. Ethanol in medications is clinically developed and not from grapes and dates. So you should be able to use your asthma pump.

In case of life threat, it is permissible to use medication from khamr as well, if no other alternative was present.

Wallahu A'lam

[SASLAMS]

what is the rulling if the alcohol is derived from pine apples or maiz meal. the pine apple is very strong & the alcohol levels change from time to time. these are home made drinks in south africa from the african people.

[abdulwahhab]

Ethanol that is used as a solvent or as an additive or as a carrier is almost always synthetically created. This is because it would be financially unfeasible to source it from grapes and dates; it simply is a matter of economics.

[silat]

what is the rulling if the alcohol is derived from pine apples or maiz meal. the pine apple is very strong & the alcohol levels change from time to time. these are home made drinks in south africa from the african people.

For shafi'e, any alcohol derived from khamr making process is najis.

Wallaahu a'lam.

[Abu Zayd al-Atharee]

Ethanol that is used as a solvent or as an additive or as a carrier is almost always synthetically created. This is because it would be financially unfeasible to source it from grapes and dates; it simply is a matter of economics.

Would that make it Halal without any Karaahah?

[SASLAMS]

For shafi'e, any alcohol derived from khamr making process is najis.

Wallaahu a'lam.

There are two types of khamr. one is muhtaram & the other ghair muhtaram depending on the purpose & intention behind the manufacture. the one is najis & the other isnt. I will have to check this out again. but you will find it in muqaddimah hadhramiyyah.