i had no idea it was a deobandi view. i thaught it was the muatamad of the ahnaaf. but if you cant follow an imaam with a different fiqhi view what then of the imaam with the different aqeedah. i wasnt speaking about deobandis but all those who do not follow an imaam who is by his madhab right, regardless of manhaj or madhab.you guys = all the brothers in this thread talking about mu'tamad opinions... Just like when you said "you guys" I dont suppose you were referring only to me rather all deobandies holding the view I have mentioned.
yes he will loose out on reward. but i cant agree that that person would have a higher status than the next beardless guy. maybe just in that sunnah but the beardless guy might leave him behind in other actions. a beard does not make a man.When I said, "KEEPING all other actions at control", then "but at times those who dont have beards can be better in other emulations then even though with beards." does not come under the question. So The answer is "no he is not in his appearance emulating Rasulullah SAWS, no he is not as close in appearance". That is what I hope from any and every member of our forum that one be close to the the emulation of Rasulullah . However, I would just add to that, that the reward of such a person and status would be higher, even though the emulation is in appearance because "a person would lose out on enormous reward for leaving out the sunnah".
"KEEPING all other actions at control", then "but at times those who dont have beards can be better in other emulations then even though with beards." does not come under the question.
could you please tell me what you understand from the above?
Take solace in knowing that these kind of discussions between 'awam and Ulama' are probably internet stimulations at best. It'll all die down after some time. Allah knows best the reality of how people converse with their Ulama face to face. in the real world, the 'awam have higher levels of ihtiram then what you see on SF.
Hearts are predisposed to love someone who does them good and to detest someone who does them harm.
- Shah Waliyyullah ad-Dihlawi's Arba'in
jus to remind you what else was said in the thread. your response will be appreciated
So you dont not hope for rahmah & harmony when it comes to ikhtilaafThat is his prerogative.. he is a Shafi Alim. So if he says so, you being a shafi'i can follow him.
I asked a hanafi not a shafi. but many of my friends whom I trust who are shafi come back to us with the same old saying. "if you shafi's say mani is tahir why dont you eat it", & this statement comes from different darul ulooms. I know in camper down it different & I have heard good things but I did say many not all the madrasahs.They do. Why dont you like the answer your own Shafi Alim is giving you? and if you dont like why dont you step up to the hanafi imam. ALL these are your prerogative, not mine.
well this comes from not only me but teachers at darul ulooms. I sat in a darul uloom class & the teachers of that madrasah told me about these things too & they are hanafi ulama & that madrasah I must say does teach rahmah. funny how you dont have a problem with this. nothing dubious when a hanafi deobandi alim tells me about the problems in other madrasahs. & then my friends from those madrasahs agree. ask shafi graduates from darul Ulooms about it or better yet you can listen about it on the recording made by sh Taha in the shafi fiqh program of last year.Then you should run a madrasah that promotes the rahma. I am getting so frustrated with this dubious snides... You know what madrasahs are, and what adab is.. yet you engage in a discussion as you have done here?!
ok fine let the ahnaaf follow the ahnaaf & the shafi follow the shafi & we dont find a balance of rahmah as far a ikhtilaaf is concerned. then we will have 4 imaams in the haraam leading one salah.No we cannot. A hanafi follower's Salah is governed by hanafi rules. You are just being childish because a hanafi is sticking to his madhab and not accepting your opinion. Ajeeb. You cannot tolerate a hanafi following hanafiyyah and we are are intolerant.
im not saying that you should accept our opinions but understand that there is a difference. when we have accept that you are the imaam & we following then I think you can do the same.
im not trying to score points. many defend the opinion because they cant or dont want to grow a beard but im only defending the opinion. unlike the guys who defend their opinion on tv. who is you guys. its me alone here, & when did I mock the hanafi mu'tamad or when did i misinterpret. are you generalising over here. are you comming at all the shawaif on SF, me alone or all the shawafi you deal with.Why do you feel the need to score points with me? You do what you do to please Allah and emulate Rasulullah . And I have YET to see ANY of my teachers from last 11 years in ONE INSTANCE where they mocked or jeered at a clean shaven hanafi, let alone a shafi'i! you guys can keep twisting and misinterpretting the mu'tamad opinions of hanafi to mock us, but i have seen practicality in my student years. Alhamdulillah I am content with our stance.
Now my question.
I ask you as a shafi'i... KEEPING all other actions at control IS A person who shaves emulating Rasulullah . Is he as close to Rasulullah in emulation as the one who make effort to keep a full beard?
no he is not in his appearance emulating Rasulullah SAWS, no he is not as close in appearance but at times those who dont have beards can be better in other emulations then even though with beards.
Although, I for one cannot imagine a haram imam in the past 1000 years history of madhahib to be trimmed or clean shaven. Perhaps you can and probably will cite references of such historical facts. Nonetheless, allow me to leave this discussion by regurgitating (like yourself) something I posted before.
For last couple of months I was enjoying simply answering in the Hanafi Q n A. I think I will revert to that joy of mine and leave you children waste time...Kher, Jazak Allah, and Jummah Mubarak.
My time is teensy bit more important than this thread and the flourishing new evolution of adaab. I am a bit old fashioned I suppose.
Masha ALLAH. So many SF brothers who are faqih in Shafi'e fiqh.
I guess, Shafi'e brothers like myself should denounce Imam Nawawi's and other prominent Shafi'e fuqaha's fatwa on beard, including thousands other shafi'e ulama who hold to the fatwa of makrooh ... *sarcasm"
I had better keep quiet, as I know nothing much of the fiqh of my madzhab.
May ALLAH have mercy on all of us.
Verily for every disease there is a cure
When the treatment is suitable, the disease will be cured by the permission of ALLAH 'Azza wa Jalla.
how about closing this thread.
المسلم من سلم المسلمون من لسانه ويده، والمهاجر من هجر ما نهى الله عنه
A (true) Muslim is a person who does not harm another Muslim with his tongue or with his hands and Muhajir is he who leaves that which Allah has forbidden.
Here is what Maulana Taha Karaan says about the Shafi position.
I also heard him say in a lecture that a person who does not have is beard is not a faasiq according to them.
سبحانك لا علم لنا إلا ما علمتنا إنك أنت العليم الحكيم