Opinions on the Beard according to the Shafi'i Madhhab

[ahmad12]

On the thread about structures on graves, we say that Nawwawi's opinion is the relied upon opinion. On this thread his opinion somehow becomes minority?

In Reliance of the Traveller, the author claims niqaab is not waajib according to Hanafi's. Everyone here would say the author wasn't Hanafi, he made a mistake. But somehow the Hanafi's know the Shafi madhab better than the Shafi's? Can someone please explain from the books of Shafi Usool how fatwa should be given in this regard so this topic can be buried once and for all

[ImamGhazzaali]

If you want the fatwa on beard, they are there.

As to why the author of 'Umdat as-Salik said what he said, there can be many reasons.

And for those that still won't believe the shafi'i view on beard is sound and still insist on their ''fist-length beard is wajib according to all madhhaahib'' are only fooling themselves. They think they know other schools better than those learned of their own school.

[Abu_Dahdah]

O Allah not this again!!! I thought we buried this issue already!

Shaving in Shafi'i madhab = makrooh
Uqooq ul walidayn = haraam as established by Quran, Sunnah, Ijma', Qiyaas

It's not hard to imagine what the fatawa will say.

We encourage you to explain to your mother in a kind and compassionate way that keeping the full beard is a very virtuous act. Give her some gifts before you initiate this conversation.

Trust me - back in the days in Dhaka, my mom wouldn't let me go to fajr jamaa'ah due to "danger". But now, whenever I am in Dhaka, she's the first one to wake me up Alhamdulillah!!

So all it needs is a bit of softening up and they will get used to your beard eventually inshaAllah ta'aala.

[Ansari]

If you want the fatwa on beard, they are there.

As to why the author of 'Umdat as-Salik said what he said, there can be many reasons.

And for those that still won't believe the shafi'i view on beard is sound and still insist on their ''fist-length beard is wajib according to all madhhaahib'' are only fooling themselves. They think they know other schools better than those learned of their own school.

Who is fooling who? Is it that hard to understand that there are also other Shafi'i scholars who hold the opposite view?

Please be respectful to those Shafi'i Ulama such as the Iraqi Shafi'i Mufti Abd al-Malik Sa'di who share the view of growing a fist-length beard is wajib.

[Dawud Israel]

totaly wrong i dont know where you get your idea from. the hadhrami hold onto the mu'tamad in this issue, which is makrooh to shave. & once again the for a shafi' there is no makrooh tahrimi. makrooh is makrooh & can never ber haraam. is possible that the alim mentioned in the post studied at a darul uloom which is hanafi. because all our shafis who come from there have the same idea. for example go ask him about practicing maulid. he will tell you bidah haraam but there has not been a shafi scholar in history to be against maulid.

why should we shafi' always do the safest in deen & dunya when its suits you. why cant you read basmalah in salah to be safe. why dont you make wudhoo after touching your private parts or your wife to be safe. why dont you have a shower & then make wudhoo instead of stepping out of the shower with wudhoo just to be save. if you dont have knowledge of the shafi madhab then be silent.

yes there were two views by imaam Shafi' & the latter view negates the ealiers & I ask you what was the latter oner. the ahnaaf also have this same qaaidah am I right. where where something is recorded later then the earlier is mansukh.

by the way sheikh Amjad is from Shaam & he lives in Tarim. he is not hadhrami. he studied in Jordan & I think in Syria aswell. your alim mentioned-where did he study?

Awwww yeaaaah!!! Where my Shafi'i bros at?!

[Dawud Israel]

Doing wudhu in a washroom, where there is a toilet is considered makruh as well. But does that mean your wudhu is invalid? I got to think this has come about more because of "Fiqh al-Sunnah" books than any real increase in knowledge of madhhabs...

In our time, people will be intimidated and scared by big-bearded Muslims, so at times the smaller bearded brother will have an edge in doing dawah. And I have NEVER seen someone with small chin-only French beard play with their beard in salah...

[amr123]

This is the most disturbing thread I ve seen in recent times. Kindly stop discussion. Everybody has made there points well here.

Remember we are talking about ulema here. All these bickering and sarcasm is unnecessary. There is no need to 'blame' anybody here.

None of you have mentioned anything new from previous threads. Everybody is going in cycles and with each cycle the posts are getting more rude and insulting.

Its clear that there is a valid ikhthilaaf in this issue. Then why blame each other.

This is enough.!

[Rahmaniyyah]

Awwww yeaaaah!!! Where my Shafi'i bros at?!

I thought you would have been a little more intelligent than this. I see no point in responding the points SASLAMS mentions because they were all sufficiently dealt with in a previous thread: he makes false analogies and he has missed the point which is being made. However, I would have thought you would hand understood, but alas, this is the extent of our intellectual capacities. To explain briefly:

The "safer" aspect was only being discussed within the school. Hence, it is safer for a Shafi'i, without any consideration of other madhhabs. No Shafi'i will disagree with that, so no discussion of other madhhabs come in.

When there is genuine (opposing) ikhitlaf between the schools (e.g. the basmalah) then the person will follow their school - obviously. Many more examples can be given of this nature, however the beard doesn't fall into this category

When there is ikhtilaf between madhhabs but they are not opposing, then it is Awlaa to abstain from ikhtilaf (e.g. Hanafi doing wudhu after touching woman because it is permissible in one's Madhhab).

[Rahmaniyyah]

In our time, people will be intimidated and scared by big-bearded Muslims, so at times the smaller bearded brother will have an edge in doing dawah. And I have NEVER seen someone with small chin-only French beard play with their beard in salah...

Well in that case, he may as well shave fully and wear a suit and tie. That will give him an edge over the short bearded brother..

That is, when you define "edge" according to your 'aql and not according to the Sunnah.

[abdulwahhab]

totaly wrong i dont know where you get your idea from. the hadhrami hold onto the mu'tamad in this issue, which is makrooh to shave. & once again the for a shafi' there is no makrooh tahrimi. makrooh is makrooh & can never ber haraam. is possible that the alim mentioned in the post studied at a darul uloom which is hanafi. because all our shafis who come from there have the same idea. for example go ask him about practicing maulid. he will tell you bidah haraam but there has not been a shafi scholar in history to be against maulid.

why should we shafi' always do the safest in deen & dunya when its suits you. why cant you read basmalah in salah to be safe. why dont you make wudhoo after touching your private parts or your wife to be safe. why dont you have a shower & then make wudhoo instead of stepping out of the shower with wudhoo just to be save. if you dont have knowledge of the shafi madhab then be silent.

yes there were two views by imaam Shafi' & the latter view negates the ealiers & I ask you what was the latter oner. the ahnaaf also have this same qaaidah am I right. where where something is recorded later then the earlier is mansukh.

by the way sheikh Amjad is from Shaam & he lives in Tarim. he is not hadhrami. he studied in Jordan & I think in Syria aswell. your alim mentioned-where did he study?

Brother, this is faulty logic.

If you can show that the each of the things that you have listed are sunnah in the Hanafi madhhab, then your point is very valid and there is hypocrisy present.

We know that the full beard is a sunnah in every madhhab. On the other hand, many Hanafis do not see reciting the tasmiyah in salah as sunnah, let alone a requirement. Hanafis also do not see touching the private parts or one's wife as being one of the things that breaks wudhu. Hanafis do not see wudhu as necessary, let alone recommended, after bathing (in fact, some Hanafis consider it makrooh (tanzihi)).

So, you see, none of the things you've mentioned are even considered sunnah or even mustahabb in the Hanafi madhhab, as opposed to the beard which is a sunnah in all the madhahib. If you see a Hanafi scholar violating a sunnah in the Hanafi madhhab, you'd find most of us agreeing with you in saying that the shaykh has erred.

Most of us aren't ordering or compelling or even expecting Shafi'is to follow what is recommended or required in the Hanafi madhhab. For example, you don't find many Hanafis here saying that Shafi'is should stop doing rafa' al-yadain, even though it is considered makrooh in our madhhab. You don't find many Hanafis saying that Shafi'is should stop reciting al-Faatihah behind the imam, even though it is makrooh in our madhhab. We don't tell Shafi'is that they're wrong about the validity of their wudhu if they bleed (and those who do this, do so in error). Similarly, the issue of the beard is not something unique to the Hanafi madhhab. If you can tell us that the beard is NOT sunnah at all, no one will say anything about/to Shafi'is on this topic.