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    Assalamu 'alaykum,

    The video is by Mufti Abu 'l-Layth al-Maliki [hafithahullah]. The Shaykh states on his FB:

    More Recently there has been a growing number of questions raised and discussions sparked regarding the concept of 'Mashoor' (popular/mainstream) within the School of Madinah

    Furthermore these issues raised have left enduring confusion whether following the 'Mashoor' is a matter of pragmatic prudence or mandatory jurisprudence?

    God willing, I aim to shed some
    Clarity on this topic, by defining the term and refining the debate. I will briefly explore the aetiology of the 'Mashoor' concept, the dissents regarding it by the Ulama of the school, the absence of any conclusive unanimity regarding the concept, more importantly how only the diverse dynamics truly encompass the majestic beauty of the School of Madinah.

    May Allah enlighten us with His knowledge & wisdom, and inspire us to live as brethren in harmony with diversity. Ameen.
    For those interested:
    Part 1

    Part 2

    Wassalam


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    Default Re: The concept of 'Mashour' and 'Rajih' in the Maliki school

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    Assalamu 'alaykum,

    The video is by Mufti Abu 'l-Layth al-Maliki [hafithahullah]. The Shaykh states on his FB:



    For those interested:
    Part 1

    Part 2

    Wassalam
    You should refer him to the work Raf‘ al-‘Itab wa l-Malam ‘amman qala l-‘Amal bi l-Da‘if Ikhtiyaran Haram by Shaykh Muhammad Qasim al-Qadiri al-Hasani al-Maghribi al-Fasi (available here) which proves conclusively that in the Maliki madhhab one must follow the mashhur and rajih - and the rajih when they conflict. See also here.

    Shaykh al-Fasi quotes al-Wanshirisi who said: "As for acting on or issuing fatwa on or decreeing by [shadhdh] opinions or [weak] views without deliberating on the rajih and without following the mashhur and the sahih, it is not permissible and is not allowed, and if he does so, he has sinned, without disagreement, and is ignorant and has gone against the path of ijma‘." (quoted on page 11)

    Here are translations of excerpts from the first three chapters of Shaykh al-Fasi's work which should clarify a few issues:

    When I came across the clear statements of the luminous guided imams and the great noble masters on the issue of what a person acts upon for himself – and draws near to Allah Almighty thereby... – and I found them stating that acting on the mashhur and the rajih is obligatory (wajib) in preference; and that acting on its opposite is haram except in dire need; I wanted – seeking help from the power of Allah and His strength, and depending on His will and support – to explain what I came across of those texts so the lay and elite can benefit from them – by the grace of Allah – along with simple words on what muftis issue fatwa on and judges issue decrees upon; and I will add to that – with the power of Allah and His strength – whatever our Master, the Knower, the Owner, makes easy.

    ...

    Know that I restricted this book – asking Allah Almighty for practice upon knowledge – to an introduction and ten chapters and a conclusion. In the introduction is mentioned ten questions with their general answers, and in the ten chapters are mentioned the evidences of those answers...

    Introduction

    Know that here are ten questions and ten answers:

    1. Are the mashhur and rajih same or are they different? Answer: Upon verification, they are different.
    2. When the mashhur and rajih contradict, is the mashhur given preference in terms of practice, fatwa and decree, or the rajih? Answer: The rajih is given preference.
    3. Is it obligatory (wajib) for a person – in his own practice or a fatwa for another or a judicial decree on another – to adopt the mashhur or rajih or is it preferred? Answer: The truth is that it is wajib.
    4. Is practice, fatwa and decree upon a weak opinion without dire necessity haram or not? Answer: It is haram.
    5. When the common people act on a weak opinion as preference again and again until it becomes a norm and habit for them, is it haram for a person to follow them in doing what they do or not? Answer: It is haram for him to follow them.

    ...

    Chapter One: On the Evidence that the Mashhur and the Rajih are Different upon Verification

    Know that there are three different views on the reality of mashhur:

    1. This is the correct view, that it is what was adopted by many. Al-Wanshirisi said in al-Mi‘yar: “According to this opinion on the meaning of mashhur, it is necessary for it to have more than three [scholars] who adopted it,” meaning: It is not said about a ruling that it is mashhur unless more than three scholars have adopted it.
    2. That which is strong in evidence.
    3. It is the statement of Ibn al-Qasim in al-Mudawwanah.

    We only said the first is correct because ‘Allamah al-Hilali opened with it in his commentary on the khutbah of al-Mukhtasar, and he supported it with three matters:

    1. This meaning accords with the linguistic meaning of the word mashhur because shuhrah linguistically is – as will come shortly – the appearance of something, and there is no doubt that a ruling that is issued by a group more than three is apparent/manifest.
    2. It is the madhhab of the fuqaha’ and usuliyyun to give preference to the rajih over the mashhur when they contradict, and if we did not interpret mashhur to mean that which was adopted by many and instead interpreted it to mean that which is strong in evidence, it would be synonymous with rajih, so there will be no opportunity for contradiction between them such that it can be said rajih is given preference over it. [Therefore number 2 is ruled out]
    3. The scholars mentioned that one of two opinions can be mashhur due to the abundance of those who adopted it and rajih due to the strength of its evidence.

    (End approximate quote)

    An example of this is listening to musical instruments, as it is haram according to the mashhur due to the number of those who ruled that it is prohibited exceeding three, and likewise it is haram according to the rajih because of the strength of the evidence, which is his (Allah bless him and grant him peace) statement as in the Sahih [of Imam al-Bukhari]: “There will be amongst my ummah groups that seek to make permissible private parts, silk, wine and musical instruments.”

    Thus if mashhur was [by definition] that which is strong in evidence it would not arise in a single issue that it is mashhur or rajih by two different considerations.

    Hence, these three matters support the meaning of mashhur that it is what was adopted by many, and refute those who interpret it as that which is strong in evidence.

    As for those who interpret it as the statement of Ibn al-Qasim in al-Mudawwanah, then his interpretation is rejected as said by al-Hilali in the aforementioned commentary, because there is no meaning to restricting the mashhur to what he mentioned because this was not said by anyone. And then he answered on their behalf that perhaps the intent of this speaker [who said mashhur is the statement of Ibn al-Qasim] is that the statement of Ibn al-Qasim in al-Mudawwanah is one category from the categories of mashhur, so this speaker is indicating that the intent of the abundance of those who adopted a view in their famous statement “that which is adopted by many” is the abundance of those who adopted it either in actuality or in outcome; because Ibn al-Qasim, although externally he is one, but because of his constant companionship with Malik for more than twenty years and he did not part from him until he died and because the Mudawwanah was narrated from him, he is more than three in outcome. This answer offered by al-Hilali is stipulated....

    This is what relates to mashhur. As for rajih, there are two opinions about it. The correct of them is that which is strong in evidence. It was said: that which was adopted by many.

    Know that the disagreement that has occurred in the word mashhur occurs in words that have the same meaning like their statement: “the majority (jumhur) is on this,” and their statement: “the madhhab of most (al-akthar) is such” and like their statement: “the madhhab is such” because the fuqaha’ often use the word madhhab for the opinion of most scholars of the madhhab not for the opinion of all the scholars of the madhhab, as evidenced by their mention of a text which they state is the madhhab and then mention of its opposite. This usage – that is their usage of the word madhhab for the majority – is a majaz mursal (metaphor) because it is using the word madhhab – that was originally designated for all of them – for most of them so it is like using the whole for its greater part as comes in the hadith “Hajj is ‘Arafah.” And often they use the word madhhab for the agreed-upon, in which case it is literal.

    ...

    That which we mentioned – i.e. that which gives the meaning of mashhur is like stating it explicitly – was said by al-Hattab...

    Moreover, the opposite of mashhur is called shadhdh. Thus, shadhdh is the opinion that was not issued by a group. And likewise the opposite of rajih is called weak. Thus, “weak” is that which does not have a strong evidence in that it is opposed by that which is stronger in evidence. Thus, its weakness is relative, meaning, it is weak in relation to what is stronger than it, even if it has strength in itself. Or it opposes consensus or the principles or an explicit text or manifest analogy, so it is weak in itself. This second type of weak is called weak of source (da‘if al-mudrak).

    Furthermore, that which we mentioned of the interpretation of mashhur, rajih, da‘if and shadhdh, in what has preceded, that is what was transmitted from the fuqaha’, and that accords with the linguistic meaning of them. Thus in al-Qamus it states: “Shuhrah with damm is the appearance of a thing in notoriety i.e. publicity.” And in al-Misbah: “I made something rajih, by making it weighty: I made it preferred and I strengthened it.” And in al-Misbah it states: “Da‘f with fath of the dad in the language of Tamim and with damm in the language of Quraysh is the opposite of strength and soundness.” And in al-Qamus: “Shadhdha, yashudhdhu, and yashudhdhu, shadhdhan and shudhudhan: it was rare from what is common.” And in al-Mukhtar: “It became shadhdh from it: isolated from the majority.”

    Moreover, often shadhdh is used in opposition to both mashhur and rajih, and da‘if likewise.

    This is the last of what relates to the first chapter.

    Chapter Two: On the Evidence of Giving Preference to the Rajih over the Mashhur when they Conflict

    Know that giving preference to the rajih over the mashhur when they conflict is the position of the majority of the fuqaha’ and usuliyyin as has preceded from al-Hilali. And from those who stated this explicitly are ‘Izz al-Din ibn ‘Abd al-Salam al-Shafi‘i in his Qawa‘id and his student al-Qarafi [al-Maliki] in his summation of the Qawa‘id of his aforementioned teacher. My master, ‘Ali al-Jawhari, gave preference to it. And this is understood from the speech of Ibn Habib, Ibn al-‘Arabi and Ibn ‘Abd al-Barr, since they gave preference with respect to the recitation in the two rak‘ahs of [the sunnah of] Fajr that which is in Sahih Muslim from the hadith of Abu Hurayrah (Allah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him and grant him peace) would recite in Fajr: Qul Ya Ayyuha l-Kafirun and Qul Huwa Llahu Ahad due to its strength, although it is shadhdh according to the earlier scholars according to the mashhur, of sufficing with Fatihah in them, taken from the hadith of ‘A’ishah (Allah be pleased with her) that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him and grant him peace) would make the recitation light due to the weakness of this evidence as stated by the later scholars; and they explained this weakness by saying that lightening the recitation does not prove omitting a surah in them.

    If you say: What you mentioned of giving preference to the rajih over the mashhur is contrary to what is in al-Zurqani in his statement on dalk (rubbing) in the bath of major ritual impurity, because it indicates that the mashhur is given priority over the rajih in opposition to what you said because the upshot of his statement there is that when there is a mashhur accepted by the majority, it cannot be rejected, even if its source is weak in our minds and the source of its opposite is strong; and its commentators, Bannani and Rahuni accepted his statement.

    I say: There is no conflict at all due to the difference in subject-matter, because the subject-matter of giving preference to the rajih over the mashhur is when the mashhur has a weak source with certainty, in that all who spoke of it from the late scholars said it has a weak source, like sufficing in the two rak‘ahs of Fajr with Fatihah, because all who spoke on it from the late scholars said its evidence is weak. And the subject-matter of what al-Zurqani mentioned of giving preference to the mashhur over the rajih is when the weakness of the evidence of the mashhur is speculative only. And the example of this is dalk in the bath of major ritual impurity because the mashhur in this is that it is wajib in itself and its opposite is that it is wajib to make the water reach the skin; so the mashhur was given preference even if we think the evidence is weak...because when we think carefully we would say that those who adopted this opinion are not so many but because it has a strong evidence which we did not comprehend...so it will be both mashhur and rajih. This harmonisation is derived – upon consideration – from the speech of al-Zurqani in the discussion on the issue of dalk. And Allah knows best.

    ...


    Chapter Three: On the Evidence of Acting on the Mashhur or the Rajih being Wajib just as Fatwa and Decreeing by Them is Wajib

    Know that a group of righteous scholars and firmly-grounded fuqaha’ have stated explicitly that this is wajib. From them: Imam Malik, Ibn al-Qasim, ‘Isa ibn Dinar and Ibn Muzayyin, as al-Wanshirisi transmitted from them in al-Mi‘yar and his text is: “How brilliant is what Ibn Muzayyin narrated from ‘Isa ibn Dinar from Ibn al-Qasim from Malik that he said: “Not every statement said by a man is to be followed even if he has excellence, due to His (Exalted is He) statement: “Those who hear the word and follow the best of it.””” And the meaning of the aforementioned statement of Malik is that not every statement that issues from a learned scholar is taken into consideration and is counted, rather only an opinion that has a share in nazr [i.e. deliberation of the mashhur and rajih] is taken into consideration, and that is the mashhur or the rajih. And may Allah bless the one who said:

    Not every disagreement that has come is regarded
    Except a disagreement that has a share in deliberation [i.e. of what is mashhur and rajih]

    And from them is Ibn Abi Jamrah and his teachers, and his statement is: “Those who we met of eminent scholars would say: It is not permissible for anyone to accept anything besides the mashhur and he cannot give fatwa except in accordance with it.” The teacher of teachers Abu al-Su‘ud Sayyidi ‘Abd al-Qadir al-Fasi transmitted it from him in his Nawazil.

    From them is al-Qadi Abu Salim al-Yaznasini...

    From them is ‘Allamah al-Wanshirisi as he said in al-Mi‘yar: “As for acting on or issuing fatwa on or decreeing by [shadhdh] opinions or [weak] views without deliberating on the rajih and without following the mashhur and the sahih, it is not permissible and is not allowed, and if he does so, he has sinned, without disagreement, and is ignorant and has gone against the path of ijma‘.”...

    From them is al-Wali al-Salih, the teacher of teachers, Abu l-Barakat Sayyidi ‘Abd al-Qadir al-Fasi – may Allah illuminate by his stature our hard heart. He stated this in an answer of his recorded in his Nawazil where he said: “Acting on the mashhur is wajib, but adopting a weak opinion (lit: concession) for a particular period due to dire necessity is permissible.”

    From them is al-Muhaqqiq al-Mutqin al-Shaykh Ibn ‘Arafah....

    From them is al-Wali al-Salih Sayyidi ‘Abd al-Rahman al-Fasi...

    From them is Shaykh Bannani...

    From them is Wali al-Salih Sayyidi al-Tawidi ibn Sawdah...

    From them is ‘Allamah al-Sa‘idi...

    From them is Shaykh Imam Abu ‘Abd Allah Sayyidi Muhammad ‘Ulaysh...

    ...
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    Default Re: The concept of 'Mashour' and 'Rajih' in the Maliki school

    He has acknowledged that there may be a difference of opinion in his madhhab and it is OK.

    Have you studied the Usul of the Maliki madhhab?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ImamGhazzaali View Post
    He has acknowledged that there may be a difference of opinion in his madhhab and it is OK.
    I wonder if you read what I posted?

    Wanshirisi clearly states that there is no disagreement (بلا نزاع) that the person who leaves the mashhur/rajih for a weak or shadhdh opinion in the madhhab, he is sinful, ignorant and has violated the ijma'. Also, al-'Ulaysh quotes al-Baji al-Maliki (d. 403) who said: "There is no difference of opinion between the scholars, whose opinions are relied upon for consensus, on the prohibition of giving fatwa contrary to the mashhur." (وهذا لا خلاف فيه بين المسلمين ممن يعتد به فى الإجماع في منع الفتيا بغير المشهور).

    There are many more quotes you can check on chapters three and four of the book I referred to and linked to above, that it is wajib to act on the mashhur/rajih in the Maliki madhhab and it is haram to do otherwise, for it falls under "chasing concessions" (tatabbu' al-rukhas) and "following desires" (ittiba' al-hawa). Once these explicit, clear, unambiguous and unequivocal statements are before you - which categorically state that you cannot adopt a non-mashhur/rajih stance for personal practice, fatwa or hukm by ijma' - what relevance does the comment of a present-day 'mufti' - who says you don't have to follow the mashhur/rajih and there is disagreement on this - have?

    And if you insist on taking from a present-day scholar on this unanimous decision, Abdus Shakur Brooks has a referenced article on this matter, called "The Obligation of Following the Mashoor when Giving Fatwa." And I think you can also contact him on facebook.

    Quote Originally Posted by ImamGhazzaali View Post
    Have you studied the Usul of the Maliki madhhab?
    This is irrelevant.


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    Default Re: The concept of 'Mashour' and 'Rajih' in the Maliki school

    You can view 'Ali Laraki's discussion with Ustadh 'Abdus Shakur Brooks as well. If it was sinful then is Mufti Abu 'l-Layth sinful? I'll try to get a learned Maliki's reply to yours. Perhaps, he may know that which you may not.

    As for the other question being irrelevant, no it isn't. Picking up few books in support of a particular view isn't wise to come to a conclusion when one has not studied the mentioned issue properly.


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    Maliki Scholars: The Obligation of Following The Mashoor When Giving Fatwa
    By Ustadh Abdus Shakur Brooks

    The famous scholar and mufti Shaykh ‘Ulaysh (1299 A.H) mentions in his well-known book of fatwa titled Fath ul-‘Aliy Al-Malik fi’l-fatwa ‘ala Madhhab al-Imam Malik, in which he quotes al-Maziri ( 536 A.H) after establishing that a person cannot give a fatwa contrary to the mashoor :

    …..أن العدول عن المشهور أو ما رجحه شيوخ المذهب الملكى من ضعف العلم و قلة الدين

    “Verily the abandonment of following the mashoor or what the authoritative scholars of the madhhab [ such as Ibn Rushd -520 A.H- and others like him] have considered as al- rajih [the sound opinion] is an example of the decadence of knowledge and religious integrity.”

    In the same book Shaykh ‘Ulaysh quotes al-Baji al-Andalusi (403 A.H) who was a prominent scholar of the madhhab and famous for his commentary on the Muwatta’ of Imam Malik, saying:

    وهذا لا خلاف فيه بين المسلين ممن يعتد به في الإجماع في منع الفتيا بغير المشهور والمقلد مثله

    “And there is no difference of opinion, between the scholars, whose opinions are relied upon for consensus, about the prohibition of giving fatwa contrary to the mashoor. And the same goes for the muqallid.”

    Shaykh ‘Ulaysh also quotes Ibn Abi Jamrah (699 A.H):

    كذا يذكر عن ابن أبي جمرة أنه لايحل أن يفتى في دين الله إلا بالمشهور.

    “And likewise it is mentioned from Ibn Abu Jamrah that it is not permissible to give fatwa in the religion of Allah except by the mashoor.”

    Shaykh ‘Ulaysh also mentions in his book al-Ajwibah:

    إذ يجب العمل بالراجح والمشهور مذهبنا, وإن لم نعلم دليله ولا قوّته ولا الاتفاق عليه, فإنه – أي ما ذكر من الراحج أو المشهور- حجة علينا ما دمنا في ربقة التقليد. قال ونظْرُنا في الأدلة والاتفاق والاختلاف فضول, إذ وظيفتنا مخض التقليد واتّباع الراجح أو المشهور, والله سنحانه وتعالى أعلم.

    “…. For one is obligated to follow in one’s practice [the opinion] that is rajih, or mashoor in our madhhab [that is, the Maliki madhhab] even if we do not know the proof for that opinion, nor the strength of the opinion nor the fact that there is agreement, for it [that is, the rajih, or the mashhur] is the compelling authority over us as long as we are tied with the tether of taqlid. Our speculation (nazr) based on the proofs and on the agreement [of the fuqaha] and their disagreement is meddling, for our job is pure taqlid, and to follow the rajih, or the mashhur. Allah, Whom I declare to be Perfect beyond all defects and Exalted beyond all comparison, knows best.”

    Shaykh ‘Ali al-Sa‘idi al-‘Adawi (1189 A.H), the author of the famous margin-commentary called Hashiyah‘ala Kifayat ul-Talib al-Rabbani:

    وأما إذا كان أحدهما [أي القولان] مشهورا, فيجب العمل بالمشهور, ولا يجوز العمل بالضعيف, ولو في خاصة نفسه.

    “However, if one of them ,of two contradictory opinions, is mashoor, then one is obligated to follow, in one’s practice, the mashoor, and it is not permissible to follow the weak opinion in one’s own practice.”

    Imam al-Shatibi ( 790 A.H) in his celebrated work entitled al-Muwafaqat quotes al-Maziri – one of the most authoritative Maliki scholars in his time (as well as one of the scholars whom Shaykh Khalil relied upon in his Mukhtasar) as saying:

    ولست ممن يحمل الناس على غير المعروف المشهور من مذهب مالك وأصحابه؛ لأن الورع قل، بل كاد
يعدم، والتحفظ على الدينات كذلك، وكثرت الشهوات، وكثر من يدعى العلم ويتجاسر على الفقوى فيه

    “I am not one of those who give people fatwa other than what is known to be the mashoor opinion in Malik’s madhhab and that of his companions. That is because piety and god-fearfulness has deteriorated, indeed almost absolutely gone and likewise the preservation of religious practice .Vain desires are soaring; numerous are those who claim to be knowledgeable and give bold and reckless fatwa.”

    Seeing what the scholars have mentioned here, one should not be mislead into believing that contemporaries have the freedom to rule by the “weak opinion”unconditionally; meaning without it being a weak opinion that was acted upon by the mujtahids in fatwa within the school long before us (such as Ibn Rushd, Al-Maziri and others).

    Those weak opinions established by the mujtahids in fatwa take a new technical status called ” ما جرى به العمل ” which in general refers to “those weak options that are given preference/selected over the the mashoor by a mujtahid in fatwa within the school, for a particular existing reason, in a specific time and place, under a specific circumstance”. These issues are numbered within the school and does not apply to “any weak opinion” that a contemporary assumes to opt for in giving a fatwa.

    In fact the established protocol (as we have seen previously) is that a person who is not at the level of mujtihad in fatwa is not allowed to rule by a weak opinion, but rather their job is simply to transmit the mashoor opinion of the Maliki madhhab and have the wisdom to teach others how to apply it in a practical and meaning manner. We see in this article just a few of many renowned scholars of the school, throughout different centuries and different places, unified under this protocol.

    Yet in our times, when sacred knowledge is like an endangered species, we have those who assume they are independent of the protocols established by the competent predecessors whose knowledge has been undoubtedly attested for. As Al-Maziri puts it ” it is an example of the decadence of knowledge and religious integrity”.

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    Default Re: The concept of 'Mashour' and 'Rajih' in the Maliki school

    Again, Ustadh chose one of the views and not the only view.

    Let's leave the Maliki Madhhab to those that are experts in it [Ustadh 'Abd ash-Shakur and Mufti Abu'l-Layth and numerous others] and not the non-Malikis.


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    Default Re: The concept of 'Mashour' and 'Rajih' in the Maliki school

    Quote Originally Posted by ImamGhazzaali View Post
    Again, Ustadh chose one of the views and not the only view.
    What is your proof for this? Have you studied Maliki usul to have come to this conclusion, or are you relying solely on what was presented in the videos from youtube? Is the presentation on this video more reliable than documented statements from early authorities of the madhhab?

    Anyway, this is becoming quite circular. To break it down for you:

    It is contested that there is any disagreement on this issue to begin with. So the so-called "disagreement" here is whether there are any conflicting opinions on the issue of it being haram to adopt the non-mashhur/rajih or not.

    Note, the person in the video did not offer any statements from the scholars of the madhhab that it is permissible and not haram to adopt the non-mashhur/rajih. However, Shaykh al-Fasi, whose work I referenced and linked above, and Abdus Shakur Brooks, both, bring a list of clear and unequivicol statements declaring the obligation of following the mashhur of the madhhab. In fact the fourth century Imam al-Baji transmits ijma' on this, so the opinion goes right back to the earliest period without any disagreement. Shaykh al-Fasi quotes Imam Malik, Ibn al-Qasim and other early authorities that not every opinion can be followed - which goes against what the individual in the video stated.

    In other words, this is not something you can wriggle your way out of by claiming "difference of views" as either:

    1. there is unanimous consensus that one must adopt the mashhur/rajih, and cannot follow any opinion he chooses [which was documented from the earlier scholars by Shaykh al-Fasi and Abdus Shakoor Brooks]

    2. or there is not [which was the claim made by the individual in the video].

    And in this issue, where the latter brings no evidence, and the former do, you have chosen to back his view that there is flexibility and disagreement on this matter, and thus by implication you have claimed the other view [of ijma'] to be false. I hope this clarifies the issue, and illustrates your conclusion and how you reached it is problematic.


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    Default Re: The concept of 'Mashour' and 'Rajih' in the Maliki school

    Regarding your ''proofs'', the Shaykh has acknowledged/implied in the video that there are other views that maybe valid/followed. So, you bringing one view and claiming from your ''proofs'' that the other view isn't valid, then I do not know whether to cry or laugh at this.

    As for your statement here:
    Is the presentation on this video more reliable than documented statements from early authorities of the madhhab?
    So, the Shaykh has no proof for his statement and is following a baatil view?

    Perhaps, we should make this thread as a sticky for the non-Malikis now to jump on the Maliki madhhab and claim that this view is the only one to be followed. Earlier, it was the non-Shafi'is doing it on the beard issue and now this.

    We, both, have relied on different scholars.

    I doubt Mufti Abu 'l-Layth would contribute to this thread as the Shaykh is busy.

    If you want any clarification then you are welcome to post here:
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/108642649171039/

    Assalamu 'alaykum.


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    Default Re: The concept of 'Mashour' and 'Rajih' in the Maliki school

    Quote Originally Posted by ImamGhazzaali View Post
    Perhaps, we should make this thread as a sticky for the non-Malikis now to jump on the Maliki madhhab and claim that this view is the only one to be followed. Earlier, it was the non-Shafi'is doing it on the beard issue and now this.

    We, both, have relied on different scholars.
    Sometimes I wonder about your ability to comprehend simple topics. You bring forward some really stupid ad hominem arguments that have nothing to do with the topic at hand. Muzzammil brought forward Maliki scholars such as Baji, Illaysh, Abdur Rahman Brooks and many others showing that only the mashhur opinion is to be followed, and if not, you are sinning.

    What has this to do with studying usul al-fiqh or asking rethoric questions whether so and so is sinning? And what has it got to do with him being a non-maliki while he cites maliki scholars? By the same argument you should remain silent because you are a hanafi. Your arguments are childish to say the least.
    And if he were to ask for a gentle lady in marriage, he would be refused, and when he leaves the world it does not miss him, and if he goes out, his going out is not noticed, and if he falls sick, he is not attended to, and if he dies, he is not accompanied to his grave.


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