The word "Islamist"!

[Jadeed]

The definition of 'Islamist' as far as I have ascertained, is applied to people as widely varied as Recep Erdogan and Mr. adh-Dhawahiri. This makes it a stupid term. It can be loosely defined as 'someone who wants Shari'a to have something to do with government,' regardless of the level.

[SaifnSound]

Can we do something about this?

Because even 'respectable' organisations like BBC use it regularly. You never hear Christianists or Jewists.

Words like coloured and the N word used to be frequently used before but now deemed unacceptable, probably because of campaigns/pressure. Surely we can do something similar to stop the demonisation of our religions name.

Have you heard the new one - "Islamics" - ho ho ho. its quite pathetic really. Next will be "Islamisistical".. rather amusing to us muslims, overall, and pitiful. If that is their defnition, then by defintion, they have no concept of Peace.

Therefore it turns from anger, towards pity and then towards concern how can our fellow humans subsist in such darkness. That then becomes our challenge, to have worry for those who have marginal concepts of peace, in an encompassing "As Salaam" sense

[Abu Zakir]

We could complain but we would need to be well organized and workinng as hundreds of thousands. These terms have been invented by powerful and well funded think tanks and academics in back who get paid a great deal of money to bring their 'ideas' to fruition.

Can we do something about this?

Because even 'respectable' organisations like BBC use it regularly. You never hear Christianists or Jewists.

Words like coloured and the N word used to be frequently used before but now deemed unacceptable, probably because of campaigns/pressure. Surely we can do something similar to stop the demonisation of our religions name.

[Revert2001]

Why does media promotes the new derivatives of the word "Islam" in a derogatory sense, like the word "Islamist"! How come these words find their way into main stream international media? Is their no international law against the use of defaming words used by media? It feels really bad when you see words that associate the religion itself to a negative feeling. Its also very sorry to see muslims also adopting these words without thinking over it.

The answer is quite simple sister.

"Those who coin the words of the issue; own the discussion"

Unfortunately, the muslims have not learned this basic fact.

[Abu Zakir]

The answer is quite simple sister.

"Those who coin the words of the issue; own the discussion"

Unfortunately, the muslims have not learned this basic fact.

This is true, all the books, magazines and mass media create all the labels and frame the arguments, and those of us who enter into their frame get trapped in their world. To escape we can either ignore all their media, or we can construct our own frame, we can re-frame it in ways that are beneficial to us. Neuro Linguistic Programming (NLP) can teache us how to re-frame and gain dominance in discussions.

[SaifnSound]

The answer is quite simple sister.

"Those who coin the words of the issue; own the discussion"

Unfortunately, the muslims have not learned this basic fact.

I would agree with that statement. Muslims are unnaware that the inherent meanings of words effect the outcomes of discussion.
We need to deconstruct words to their core root meanings.

For example, those who accuse the muslims of classing them as "infidel"
We should reply; "Infidel" is from the latin Fidelis, which means Faith. So infidel is "without faith", whether that is Christian, Jewish, Muslim or any Faith in a Higher Supreme Authority.
Therefore its not purely a muslim accusation, and not even that derogatory, rather an accusation levelled by one with any "faith"

Hey, maybe someone should start a thread, where we can deconstruct commonly misdiagnosed phraseology.

[Revert2001]

I would agree with that statement. Muslims are unnaware that the inherent meanings of words effect the outcomes of discussion.
We need to deconstruct words to their core root meanings.

For example, those who accuse the muslims of classing them as "infidel"
We should reply; "Infidel" is from the latin Fidelis, which means Faith. So infidel is "without faith", whether that is Christian, Jewish, Muslim or any Faith in a Higher Supreme Authority.
Therefore its not purely a muslim accusation, and not even that derogatory, rather an accusation levelled by one with any "faith"

Hey, maybe someone should start a thread, where we can deconstruct commonly misdiagnosed phraseology.

Brother, deconstruction of words that already frame the discussion isn't the answer. Because your opponent isn't going to set there and listen to your long winded academic lecture.

The "key"is to create and then introduce our own descriptive words into the mix; and thus we would the assume ownership and control of the issue being discussed.

[SaifnSound]

Brother, deconstruction of words that already frame the discussion isn't the answer. Because your opponent isn't going to set there and listen to your long winded academic lecture.

The "key"is to create and then introduce our own descriptive words into the mix; and thus we would the assume ownership and control of the issue being discussed.

Care to elaborate brother, i think we are saying the same thing?
Its a two part process, deconstruct and then offer the correct construct, two parts of the same coin
Perchance i misunderstood.
How would you broach the example of "infidel" in my last post, or any examples to clarify your approach?
If the opponent is not willing to listen to the meanings of the terms he relays, then thats the kind of opponent you say "Peace" to, and leave alone?

[Revert2001]

Care to elaborate brother, i think we are saying the same thing?
Its a two part process, deconstruct and then offer the correct construct, two parts of the same coin
Perchance i misunderstood.
How would you broach the example of "infidel" in my last post, or any examples to clarify your approach?
If the opponent is not willing to listen to the meanings of the terms he relays, then thats the kind of opponent you say "Peace" to, and leave alone?

No, we are Not saying the same thing.

If you have to explain it; then you have already lost the battle.

[SaifnSound]

No, we are Not saying the same thing.

If you have to explain it; then you have already lost the battle.

While we are the oppressed, one has to explain. When we are ruling then we can enforce more effectively the correct definition?

In your avatar is the Newcommen engine? or is it a Spinning Jenny or the one before the Jenny, name escapes me? Or is it a printing press? i love guessing games