Save Maryam!

[mh16388]

If Mercy Mission want to do da'wah in Indonesia, I would welcome them. But their campaign in Save Maryam that claims 2 millions Muslims leave Islam every year actually gives advantage to Christian missionaries because claim 2 million Muslims leave Islam every year is originally created by Christian missionaries. And it made other people assume ulama in Indonesia are failed in their da'wah.

Situation in Indonesia is not as bad as Save Maryam claim. I know it because I am living in Indonesia and I always observe Muslim life in Indonesia, even I know personally with brothers who active in da'wah against apostasy.

Yes, there are Muslims who leave Islam in Indonesia, but not so much like Save Maryam claim. And how about Christians who convert to Islam?. They are not in small numbers. Come to my home and will introduce you to many ex-Christians who become Muslims.

brother personally observed data cannot be used as proof. have you seen the evidence of the claims of 2 million produced by save maryam? they are found on this very thread.

[ardianto]

I swear in the name of Allah, I was not lying with my statement, situation in Indonesia is not as bad as Save Maryam claim.

[AbuFatimah]

If Mercy Mission want to do da'wah in Indonesia, I would welcome them. But their campaign in Save Maryam that claims 2 millions Muslims leave Islam every year actually gives advantage to Christian missionaries because claim 2 million Muslims leave Islam every year is originally created by Christian missionaries. And it made other people assume ulama in Indonesia are failed in their da'wah.

Situation in Indonesia is not as bad as Save Maryam claim. I know it because I am living in Indonesia and I always observe Muslim life in Indonesia, even I know personally with brothers who active in da'wah against apostasy.

Yes, there are Muslims who leave Islam in Indonesia, but not so much like Save Maryam claim. And how about Christians who convert to Islam?. They are not in small numbers. Come to my home and will introduce you to many ex-Christians who become Muslims.

brother I hope from the bottom of my heart that you are right inshAlah. But they have their evidence and its an academic position they have based on evidence so you can disagree, but not based on your own first person view as you cant possibly calculate the situation of over 200million people in countless islands and communities based on what you see around you.

inshAllah we hope you are right but MM arrived at this position through evidence so lets respect their position and support their intiative or put our efforts elsehwre and wish our brothers well in their efforts

[mh16388]

I swear in the name of Allah, I was not lying with my statement, situation in Indonesia is not as bad as Save Maryam claim.

it is not lying or telling the truth it is called being misinformed. have you seen their evidence?

[sakeranz]

I did not talk about da'wah in general, but about anti-apostasy in Indonesia. Muslims in Indonesia who moved to Christianity were not people who watched music on TV, but poor people in villages who were in hunger and did not watch TV.

Islamic channel could be useful to make people know Islam better. However, what poor people need are not TV programs, but food, study fund, health service, and some other related things. If those poor Muslims could not get what they need, they would go to Christian missionaries.

Brothers and sisters in Indonesia always trying to collect zakat infaq sadaqah and distribute that to help poor Muslims. Unfortunately they got less than poor people need, but they always try to remind Muslims about the importance of zakat infaq sadaqah.

see dakta radio, and how media is so effective in indonesia to lead dawah, charity program and to boost micro Islamic economical program
those poor people need a job, and need some money to start their own business, and a small islamic radio in bekasi have proven the media's efficiency in dawah and Micro economic empowerment for ummah.

If Mercy Mission want to do da'wah in Indonesia, I would welcome them. But their campaign in Save Maryam that claims 2 millions Muslims leave Islam every year actually gives advantage to Christian missionaries because claim 2 million Muslims leave Islam every year is originally created by Christian missionaries. And it made other people assume ulama in Indonesia are failed in their da'wah.

if Ulama in Indonesia is strong like in the past decades, i believe no Playboy adult American Magazine franchise are allowed to circulate freely , even you can see some magazine stand selling it only meters away from a mosque.

Situation in Indonesia is not as bad as Save Maryam claim. I know it because I am living in Indonesia and I always observe Muslim life in Indonesia, even I know personally with brothers who active in da'wah against apostasy.

Yes, there are Muslims who leave Islam in Indonesia, but not so much like Save Maryam claim. And how about Christians who convert to Islam?. They are not in small numbers. Come to my home and will introduce you to many ex-Christians who become Muslims.

so just think this as new empowerment for Dawah? why so hard on them brother?

[AbuFatimah]

inshallah the brothers will do lots of beneficial things for the ummah. if you dont like them, at leats focus your efforts on what you do believe in rather than trying to harm tehir efforts to serve islam

[ahmad12]

Hamza Tzortzis tweets that he knows the founder personally: http://twitter.com/HATzortzis/status/226671135503298561

[Starting_anew]

The International Crisis Group's response:

Dear Sir/Madam:

The video on the savemaryam.com website seriously misrepresents an International Crisis Group report, and we request that you remove all references to our organization immediately.

Nowhere does our November 2010 report, Indonesia: “Christianisation”and Intolerance, list the number of Indonesian Muslims being converted each year, let alone make predictions about the future. It appears that you have taken one footnote, with statistics from one city where the population of Christians relative to Muslims had risen slightly, partly through in-migration of workers from elsewhere in the country, and extrapolated those numbers to the whole country.

The report reads: "In Bekasi, the focus of this briefing, municipal statistics show a steady growth of Protestants in relative terms.[footnote] Part of the increase may be due to the steady in-migration of Protestant Bataks from Sumatra to look for work."

The footnote in question reads: “In 2000 Bekasi had a population of 1,668,494 of whom 89 per cent were Muslim, 6.5 per cent were Protestant and 3.2 were Catholic. By 2009 the population had jumped to 2,145,447 of whom 87.3 were Muslim, 8.05 per cent were Protestant and 2.98 were Catholic.”

The thesis of our report was not that Christians were overtaking Muslims in Indonesia, but that in one particular city, hard line groups from both religions were competing for the same ground, causing a rise in communal tensions. The report said that among the other causes of these tensions were the failure of the government to prevent or effectively prosecute incitement and intimidation against religious minorities; the growth of Islamic vigilante organizations that have become a public order menace; and aggressive evangelical Christian proselytizing in Muslim strongholds. The report describes some cases of the latter; it also describes violence by Islamist groups against Christian congregations that are ethnically-based and do not seek converts. It concludes by urging the Indonesian government to undertake a series of steps to nurture religious tolerance. Your distortion of our report suggests that you are trying to do exactly the opposite.

We urge you and viewers of the video to read our report in full, which is available at http://bit.ly/QqW3Cu along with our many other reports on Indonesia.
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This needed to be shared so i posted it up in full.

[mh16388]

2 million explained

[sakeranz]

Christianity's Surge in Indonesia

A religious revolution is transforming Indonesia. Part of the spiritual blossoming entails Muslims embracing a more conservative form of faith, mirroring global trends that have meant a proliferation of headscarves and beards in modern Islamic capitals. More surprising, though, is the boom in Christianity — officially Indonesia's second largest faith and a growing force throughout Asia. Indeed, the number of Asian Christian faithful exploded to 351 million adherents in 2005, up from 101 million in 1970, according to the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life, based in Washington, D.C.

Asia's tallest statue of Jesus Christ, built in 2007, presides over Manado city in eastern Indonesia, while Indonesian cable TV beams 24-hour Christian channels.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...982223,00.html

this 2010, and they are growing fast with global missionaries network support