Biting Nails and lip while Fasting?

[NeednoName]

akhi there is a difference in accidentally/unintentionally & unknowingly, you can check this out on last years ramadhab/fating threads when wudhoo was discussed. what was mentioned was that if a person swallows water accidently but knows that he is fasting then his fast is broken because he could have prevented it. but if done while forgetting that he is fasting then its ok.

Umm.. You are confusing me here, bro.

Isn't accident something which happen without any intent?

Yesterday while preparing for iftaar, I ripped open a ketchup pouch using my teeth and I was totally oblivious of the fact that I was fasting. As soon as I felt slight taste of ketchup in my mouth, I realized that I was in a state of fast and soon after did gargle with water. So, did my fast remain valid in that situation?

Which category do you think the above situation falls in - accident, unintentionally & unknowingly? To me all look same.

Assalaam'aaleykum!

[SASLAMS]

Umm.. You are confusing me here, bro.

Isn't accident something which happen without any intent?

Yesterday while preparing for iftaar, I ripped open a ketchup pouch using my teeth and I was totally oblivious of the fact that I was fasting. As soon as I felt slight taste of ketchup in my mouth, I realized that I was in a state of fast and soon after did gargle with water. So, did my fast remain valid in that situation?

Which category do you think the above situation falls in - accident, unintentionally & unknowingly? To me all look same.

Assalaam'aaleykum!

the ketchup wouldnt have broken your fast because it was not unintentional but forgetful. sorry when i said unknowingly I meant forgetful.
if you had swallowed even just a little while gargling then your fast would break because you gargle knowing that you were fasting but the water would have gone down unintentionaly. as in wudhoo you are advised not to rins your mouth deep, just in the front because you might swallow a bit of water unintentionaly.

do a search on this you will find last years thread on this issue. there was also mention of istijah where water enters the anus.

[mohtashims]

I have also heard that if you see someone eating / drinking due to forgetfullness whlist fasting one should not stop him or alert him until he empties his mouth by comsuming the morsel or gulp of water.

The idea behind this is that Allah made him forget and Allah made him eat.

Is this true ?

[NeednoName]

the ketchup wouldnt have broken your fast because it was not unintentional but forgetful. sorry when i said unknowingly I meant forgetful.
if you had swallowed even just a little while gargling then your fast would break because you gargle knowing that you were fasting but the water would have gone down unintentionaly. as in wudhoo you are advised not to rins your mouth deep, just in the front because you might swallow a bit of water unintentionaly.

do a search on this you will find last years thread on this issue. there was also mention of istijah where water enters the anus.

I think I understand what you mean. But there's a bit of confusion still left. Could you search for me the thread you're talking about?

[a.s.]

If one is aware that he is fasting and he swallows a nail (or anything that isn't edible/food), then the fast would become invalidated. As far as I know, kaffarah isn't required but a qadha would have to be performed.

So this is on the grounds that swallowing anything not considered food (whether intentionally or unintentionally, while aware that you're fasting) does not require Kaffarah, but just a qadha?
So basically, it doesn't matter whether I swallow my nail accidentally or intentionally, while knowing I was fasting, only a qadha is required. Correct?

But of course, swallowing a nail while not being aware that you're fasting does not break your fast at all, so you should continue fasting.

Is my understanding correct?

[abdulwahhab]

So this is on the grounds that swallowing anything not considered food (whether intentionally or unintentionally, while aware that you're fasting) does not require Kaffarah, but just a qadha?
So basically, it doesn't matter whether I swallow my nail accidentally or intentionally, while knowing I was fasting, only a qadha is required. Correct?

But of course, swallowing a nail while not being aware that you're fasting does not break your fast at all, so you should continue fasting.

Is my understanding correct?

Yes.

From Ta'leem-ul-Haq:

THINGS THAT BREAK ONE'S FAST BUT MAKE ONLY QAZA WAJIB 
1.  Anything put by force into the mouth of fasting persons  
2.  Water goes down the throat whilst gargling, conscious of one' fasting.  
3.  To Vomit mouthful intentionally or to return vomit down the throat.  
4.  Swallowing intentionally a pebble, piece of paper or any item that is not used as food or 
medicine.  
5.  Swallowing something edible, equal to or bigger than a grain of gram which was stuck 
between the teeth. However if it is first taken out of the mouth and swallowed, it will 
break the fast whether it is smaller or bigger than the size of a gram.  
6.  Putting oil into the ear.  
7.  Inhaling snuff into the nostrils.  
8.  Swallowing the blood from the gums if the color of the blood is more than the saliva with 
which it is mixed.  
9.  To eat and drink forgetting that one is fasting and thereafter thinking that the fast is 
broken, to eat and drink again.  
10.To eat and drink after Subha Sadiq or to break the fast before sunset due to cloudy sky or 
a faulty watch, etc., and then realizing one's fault.  
11.Any other fast other than a Ramadan one, whether broken intentionally or with a good 
and valid reason, makes ONLY Qazaa WAJIB. There is NO Kaffarah for breaking any fast 
besides that of Ramadan.

[a.s.]

Yes.

From Ta'leem-ul-Haq:

THINGS THAT BREAK ONE'S FAST BUT MAKE ONLY QAZA WAJIB 
1.  Anything put by force into the mouth of fasting persons  
2.  Water goes down the throat whilst gargling, conscious of one' fasting.  
3.  To Vomit mouthful intentionally or to return vomit down the throat.  
4.  Swallowing intentionally a pebble, piece of paper or any item that is not used as food or 
medicine.  
5.  Swallowing something edible, equal to or bigger than a grain of gram which was stuck 
between the teeth. However if it is first taken out of the mouth and swallowed, it will 
break the fast whether it is smaller or bigger than the size of a gram.  
6.  Putting oil into the ear.  
7.  Inhaling snuff into the nostrils.  
8.  Swallowing the blood from the gums if the color of the blood is more than the saliva with 
which it is mixed.  
9.  To eat and drink forgetting that one is fasting and thereafter thinking that the fast is 
broken, to eat and drink again.  
10.To eat and drink after Subha Sadiq or to break the fast before sunset due to cloudy sky or 
a faulty watch, etc., and then realizing one's fault.  
11.Any other fast other than a Ramadan one, whether broken intentionally or with a good 
and valid reason, makes ONLY Qazaa WAJIB. There is NO Kaffarah for breaking any fast 
besides that of Ramadan.

akhi.

[silat]

are you going to swallow it.

lol
cant help smiling when reading this...

[abuhajira]

Biting nails itself does not break the fast, but eating/swallowing those nails will break the fast. Since the object (nails) is not something which is taken for nourishment, even if it is eaten intentionally, only Qadha will have to be kept and not Kaffarah.

Wallahu A'lam,