The Great Deception - Arab Spring!

**mh16388** · 11-08-2012, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by Abdul1234

I beg to differ

also...

- MB is working first to free Muslims from tyranny and possible democratic secular regimes who will strip Islam from the lands if they can.

They have to work within what is possible, unlike us dreamers who can fantasize about instant righteous caliphates that come whilst we sit looking at the internet.

as i said in a post below they have put an upper limit to 'full islam' due to choosing democracy and adopting the kuffar's worldview.
just study the egyptian politics esp the relationship between US, MB and the army and see it for yourself.

and i am NOT doubting mr. morsi's emaan or sincerity.

**greenchanda** · 12-08-2012, 01:43 AM

Muslim Brotherhood been in touch with America since the 50's ??

http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog...m-brotherhood/

**SAHANG** · 12-08-2012, 02:57 AM

Salam brother Abdur raheem2. As I said the ummah could get deceived by voting in the MB believing that it stands for islam. The MB is already being pragmatic and how many mre Islamic principles will it abandon in the long run? Also you say that the US is being forced to live with the revolution and the MB. Are you being serious? The April 6 movement that was at the forefront of the demonstrations in Egypt received training and funding by the US. Before you ask me for reference look it up in reputable news sources and you will see, not in BBC OR SKY NEWS. Has a revolution really occurred? Before the army held power and now behind the scenes it still does. Also you say that America should not fear Islam, we should be partners in humanity. Islam totally opposes the Way of life of the US that is based on man made law. We follow the law of Allah whilst they follow man made law. The only way we can become partners in humanity is if they accept Islam or we accept their deen. Remember Allah says the Jews and Christians will only accept you when you accept their deen. I'm not saying we treat non Muslims with disrespect. But Islam and anything opposing it do not mix. America hates Islam and will never stop fearing it until it believes the threat of Islam is finished. We can NEVER abandon our Islamic principles and may ALLAH guide us to remain steadfast in defending Islam and the Muslims. AMEEN

**Abu Zakir** · 12-08-2012, 02:51 PM

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- MB is working first to free Muslims from tyranny and possible democratic secular regimes who will strip Islam from the lands if they can. They have to work within what is possible, unlike us dreamers who can fantasize about instant righteous caliphates that come whilst we sit looking at the internet.

You should give some steps on how this is possible for MB to do in the context of Democracy.

"we are not Islamists...we want equality for all non Muslims as well as Muslims."

Let us say 4 years down the line when there are Christains and non Muslims in all levels of government and working as equals...suddenly the MB think now we are strong enough to implement shariah and they attempt to bring in the laws of dhimmis paying Jizya taxes and not being allowed to be in key positions of government. Would this even happen after 20 years? The answer is No.

**mh16388** · 12-08-2012, 09:57 PM

best MB can do right now given their smalls scope is:
- introduce changes in education system to make it more islamic. in schools, colleges and universities too.
- take steps to enforce an islamic society as far as possible.
- educate people towards islamic currency and take steps to eradicate riba.

if in the four years they do both (or the first only) then i will be very happy with them. it will pave the way for the future. and for the eradication of democracy in general (even if MB doesn't want to end democracy. they won't have a choice)
notice the words in bold. these are actions not accomplishments.

**AbdurRaheem2** · 13-08-2012, 12:30 AM

Originally Posted by mh16388

best MB can do right now given their smalls scope is:
- introduce changes in education system to make it more islamic. in schools, colleges and universities too.
- take steps to enforce an islamic society as far as possible.
- educate people towards islamic currency and take steps to eradicate riba.

if in the four years they do both (or the first only) then i will be very happy with them. it will pave the way for the future. and for the eradication of democracy in general (even if MB doesn't want to end democracy. they won't have a choice)...

between them MB and the Salafis in Egypt have a great deal of influence now.

they are both strong forces for Islamisation that no one should underestimate.

InshaAllah we will see these type of development and more in the coming years.

**greenchanda** · 13-08-2012, 02:11 AM

Originally Posted by greenchanda

Muslim Brotherhood been in touch with America since the 50's ??

http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog...m-brotherhood/

Washington’s Secret History with the Muslim Brotherhood

By the end of the decade, the CIA was overtly backing Ramadan. While it’s too simple to call him a US agent, in the 1950s and 1960s the United States supported him as he took over a mosque in Munich, kicking out local Muslims to build what would become one of the Brotherhood’s most important centers—a refuge for the beleaguered group during its decades in the wilderness.