Deoband or salafi

[abdulwahhab]

Your third paragraph, that is where my problem starts. I want to accept deobandie style but the problem is that I need. The proof for the bayah and the silsilah. This is my major issure

Can anyone prove madrassas from Qur'an and Sunnah?

The tariqah is simply a means. A person can be part of a tariqah or he may not. Similarly, a madrassa is a means to an end. A person can attend a madrassa or study directly under a scholar to gain knowledge. It all depends on what is most effective for a person.

[hamzaln]

Can anyone prove madrassas from Qur'an and Sunnah?

The tariqah is simply a means. A person can be part of a tariqah or he may not. Similarly, a madrassa is a means to an end. A person can attend a madrassa or study directly under a scholar to gain knowledge. It all depends on what is most effective for a person.

But the deobandi scholars told me that the tariaqa is a line that goes back to the prophet? And they also said the tariqahs are named after man from like 400-500 years ago. And they said those men started the tariqahs. So how does it go back to the prophet? It just doesn't make sense to me.

[islam4best]

Your third paragraph, that is where my problem starts. I want to accept deobandie style but the problem is that I need. The proof for the bayah and the silsilah. This is my major issure

You can abandon the third part relating to Tasawwuf as there are scholars from the past who were against Tasawuf. But my advice is that you stick with Deoband / Tablighi affiliated scholars and mosques. They are more organised and inshallah it will help you in your path to Allah


After all, Allah has made a promise that


And those who strive for Us - We will surely guide them to Our ways. And indeed, Allah is with the doers of good.
Quran 29:69

So, with sincerity and honesty every path towards Allah will be easy and it really doesn't matter what you start with deobandi,salafi,ashari,sufi or whatever.

[hamzaln]

You can abandon the third part relating to Tasawwuf as there are scholars from the past who were against Tasawuf. But my advice is that you stick with Deoband / Tablighi affiliated scholars and mosques. They are more organised and inshallah it will help you in your path to Allah


After all, Allah has made a promise that


And those who strive for Us - We will surely guide them to Our ways. And indeed, Allah is with the doers of good.
Quran 29:69

So, with sincerity and honesty every path towards Allah will be easy and it really doesn't matter what you start with deobandi,salafi,ashari,sufi or whatever.

That's true and don't get me wrong I would still learn Arabic from them and pray with them. It's just that I want to study Islam full time. So I. Order to pick a school it's important to go to the right place. I like both but if I can't get evidence for those things I would think that the deobandis are a problem. Because its a big deal to say this goes back to the prophet without evidence

[abdulwahhab]

But the deobandi scholars told me that the tariaqa is a line that goes back to the prophet? And they also said the tariqahs are named after man from like 400-500 years ago. And they said those men started the tariqahs. So how does it go back to the prophet? It just doesn't make sense to me.

A tariqah simply is a path, a link of spiritual instruction. They were formalized later on, but they existed in a primordial form during the time of Rasoolullah just how madrassas existed in a primordial form. Both became formalized later on. No one called it a madrassa when the sahaba used to learn the masaail of the deen from Rasoolullah . No one called it tasawwuf when the sahaba would learn spiritual remedies from Rasoolullah . So, even though these things existed, they were not called as such since they were in a formative state.

Look at it this way: in Islam, we have the concept of Ijaza to determine legitimate scholars, going back to Rasoolullah . Rasoolullah never gave anyone ijaza in the same manner as it is given today.

[hamzaln]

A tariqah simply is a path, a link of spiritual instruction. They were formalized later on, but they existed in a primordial form during the time of Rasoolullah just how madrassas existed in a primordial form. Both became formalized later on. No one called it a madrassa when the sahaba used to learn the masaail of the deen from Rasoolullah . No one called it tasawwuf when the sahaba would learn spiritual remedies from Rasoolullah . So, even though these things existed, they were not called as such since they were in a formative state.

Look at it this way: in Islam, we have the concept of Ijaza to determine legitimate scholars, going back to Rasoolullah . Rasoolullah never gave anyone ijaza in the same manner as it is given today.

So your saying that from the time of the prophet Until for example naqshbandi that people were giving bayah and that was how a scholar got ijaza and them naqshbandi came and they named it after him?

[Hafiz Gee]

So your saying that from the time of the prophet Until for example naqshbandi that people were giving bayah and that was how a scholar got ijaza and them naqshbandi came and they named it after him?

Salam

brother i take it you're not lookig for piece meal answers youw ant something with depth etc. it will take some time on your part i recommend that you listen to these lectures:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9NX5...feature=relmfu

they let you understand tasawuf from a historical viewpoint and the various proofs for the different aspects of it, and where many have gone wrong.

[hamzaln]

Salam

brother i take it you're not lookig for piece meal answers youw ant something with depth etc. it will take some time on your part i recommend that you listen to these lectures:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9NX5...feature=relmfu

they let you understand tasawuf from a historical viewpoint and the various proofs for the different aspects of it, and where many have gone wrong.

Do you know which one talks about silsilah. In the one u showed me he said that in one part he will talk about the silsilahs. I can't find it, do u know which video it is?

[islam4best]

Do you know which one talks about silsilah. In the one u showed me he said that in one part he will talk about the silsilahs. I can't find it, do u know which video it is?

do you read Urdu ? I can share a book which deals on this issue and you can also search online, there are numerous books in Urdu on this subject. Have you read the book Shariat aur Tariqat ?

[ImamGhazzaali]

The following are lengthy videos but since you are looking for Tasawwuf related matters, it is worth it to watch all of the videos:

http://www.zamzamacademy.com/view/vi...-and-tasawwuf/