Deoband or salafi

[AbuFatimah]

AbuFaatima has a very valid point as far as keeping the unity is concerned. however it is better to study under your local aalim instead of self study. remember you could always ask him if you have any misunderstanding

sorry just to clarify im not saying do self study, but attend lessons of both salafi and deobandis and see what he feels get him closer to Allah inshAllah

[hamzaln]

Alhamdulilah I want to thanks the brothers that posted the videos from zam zam academy.i have watched part 1 and inshallah I will watch part 2 in a little bit. But so far from what I have seen is that the sheik really explained most of the questions that I had about tassawuf. Now I understand the bath and the tariqas Alhamdulilah. After all of that I really feel like the leaders of the Saudi salifis are disuniting muslims and creating fitnah without and proper evidence. Everything they told me about tassawuf was basically misquotations. I'm beginning to think that the Saudi state is one of the biggest problems for the ummah today. Does anybody have any videos or lectures about how Saudi formed and the history behind it.

[AbuFatimah]

bro. i think its unfair to say they are the biggest fitnah in the ummah today. to say that would be to suggest things would all be fine and dandy if they didnt exist. which clearly isnt true. example is tunisia. they never had salafis and they have real problems. the big problem is secularism and meddling kuffar

shame you never read anything i said and basically thought deo's are ok and now your becoming anti salafi. sectarianism wont help the ummah one iota

[Game theory]

Why cant we just be Muslims?

Afterall Kuffars dont care about our differences

in their eyers all Muslims are enemies

[Maripat]

Firstly in 'Aqeedah be an Athari meaning layman Athari (The Hadith of Jibreel 'Alayhial-Salaam is sufficient) so you don't need to go down the road of getting tangled with Ash'ari, Maturidi and Salafi debates.

Some more elaboration on this conclusion from the Hadith, please.

@Hamzaln
Have you made your decision akhi?

[mohtashims]

Everything they told me about tassawuf was basically misquotations. I'm beginning to think that the Saudi state is one of the biggest problems for the ummah today. Does anybody have any videos or lectures about how Saudi formed and the history behind it.

This

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Saud

and

this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ikhwan

is a good read.

[hamzaln]

Some more elaboration on this conclusion from the Hadith, please.

@Hamzaln
Have you made your decision akhi?

Yes if you saw my last post I said that after watching the videos from zamzam
Acedmy that I have learnt tassawuf Alhamdulilah. I accept them now. I don't know if I want to do a bayah or not but I do accept the ppl that do cause now I understand why they do it. So Alhamdulilah it feels really good because now I can unite with a lot more Muslim brothers and my heart has softened.

[Maripat]

Yes if you saw my last post I said that after watching the videos from zamzam
Acedmy that I have learnt tassawuf Alhamdulilah. I accept them now. I don't know if I want to do a bayah or not but I do accept the ppl that do cause now I understand why they do it. So Alhamdulilah it feels really good because now I can unite with a lot more Muslim brothers and my heart has softened.

[al_Zayn]

Some more elaboration on this conclusion from the Hadith, please.

I was referring to the Famous Hadith of Jibril 'Alayhi al-Salaam recorded in the books of Sunans and Saheehs: "Bayna Ma Nahnu Juloos 'Inda Rasulillah ....", here is the full text from Sahih Muslim:

صحيح مسلم

قال بينما نحن عند رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم ذات يوم إذ طلع علينا رجل شديد بياض الثياب شديد سواد الشعر لا يرى عليه أثر السفر ولا يعرفه منا أحد حتى جلس إلى النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم فأسند ركبتيه إلى ركبتيه ووضع كفيه على فخذيه وقال يا محمد أخبرني عن الإسلام فقال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم الإسلام أن تشهد أن لا إله إلا الله وأن محمدا رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم وتقيم الصلاة وتؤتي الزكاة وتصوم رمضان وتحج البيت إن استطعت إليه سبيلا قال صدقت قال فعجبنا له يسأله ويصدقه قال فأخبرني عن الإيمان قال أن تؤمن بالله وملائكته وكتبه ورسله واليوم الآخر وتؤمن بالقدر خيره وشره قال صدقت قال فأخبرني عن الإحسان قال أن تعبد الله كأنك تراه فإن لم تكن تراه فإنه يراك قال فأخبرني عن الساعة قال ما المسئول عنها بأعلم من السائل قال فأخبرني عن أمارتها [ ص: 38 ] قال أن تلد الأمة ربتها وأن ترى الحفاة العراة العالة رعاء الشاء يتطاولون في البنيان قال ثم انطلق فلبثت مليا ثم قال لي يا عمر أتدري من السائل قلت الله ورسوله أعلم قال فإنه جبريل أتاكم يعلمكم دينكم

Here is the Translation.

This is the absolute layman's 'Aqeedah (Athari as you can get), so you don't have to get involved in the Salafiyyah, Ash'ariyyah and Maturidiyyah debates and leave that in the academic circles amongst the 'Ulama.

[1] Rasulullah told us what Islam is.

[2] Rasulullah told us what Imaan is.

[3] Jibreel came to TEACH the As-haab of Rasulillah their Religion ("Fa-Innahu Jibreel Ataakum Yu'allimakum Deenakum")

The above is sufficent for a believer and when you die Munakr and Nakeer will not ask you "Ayna Rabbuk" (where is your Lord) rather they will ask you "Man Rabbuk" (Who is your Lord). And Allah will not ask you if you took His Sifaat 'Ala al-Zaahiri or whether you did Tafweedh al-Ma'ana, rather he will ask you, did you pray as-Salah, and was your Worship sincerely for Him?

After taking on board the above Hadith of Jibreel 'Aayhial-Salaam, keep your tongue moist in Laa Ilaaha Illa-Allaah and do Good Works! I remind myself first before anyone.

Wallahu A'lam.

[Maripat]

I was referring to the Famous Hadith of Jibril 'Alayhi al-Salaam recorded in the books of Sunans and Saheehs: "Bayna Ma Nahnu Juloos 'Inda Rasulillah ....", here is the full text from Sahih Muslim:

صحيح مسلم


Here is the Translation.

This is the absolute layman's 'Aqeedah (Athari as you can get), so you don't have to get involved in the Salafiyyah, Ash'ariyyah and Maturidiyyah debates and leave that in the academic circles amongst the 'Ulama.

[1] Rasulullah told us what Islam is.

[2] Rasulullah told us what Imaan is.

[3] Jibreel came to TEACH the As-haab of Rasulillah their Religion ("Fa-Innahu Jibreel Ataakum Yu'allimakum Deenakum")

The above is sufficent for a believer and when you die Munakr and Nakeer will not ask you "Ayna Rabbuk" (where is your Lord) rather they will ask you "Man Rabbuk" (Who is your Lord). And Allah will not ask you if you took His Sifaat 'Ala al-Zaahiri or whether you did Tafweedh al-Ma'ana, rather he will ask you, did you pray as-Salah, and was your Worship sincerely for Him?

After taking on board the above Hadith of Jibreel 'Aayhial-Salaam, keep your tongue moist in Laa Ilaaha Illa-Allaah and do Good Works! I remind myself first before anyone.

Wallahu A'lam.

akhi.
I suppose Mufti Limbada was saying the same thing in that short video on You Tube Hanafi Channel.
I asked you the question in my earlier post because I was wondering whether you might have got some further finer illustration.
And indeed we do not have to be finer than have to be.
And this is from Rasoolallah (SAW) himself!
Even then we keep trying to indulge in hair splitting.
May Allah (SWT) save us from investing time in useless disputations.
Wassalam