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    As-Salam Alaikum. I am about to start my second year at university here in the United States. I met a Muslim girl in my first year who could be the woman I have been hoping to meet, Insha Allah. We seem to be at about the same level of faith. Sadly, I don't know enough about her to actually follow through with such assumptions. I know dating is not allowed in Islam unless under the presence of mahrams or her walis, but the university we attend is out of state for me. It is in-state for her. What should I do? I don't want to do anything haram but I would like to get to know her, or at least about her and vice versa. I was thinking of talking to her whenever we run into each other and just spend time as friends (most preferably in the presence of other friends so it is not exactly dating and helps us control ourselves more). Would it be okay for me to pull pranks on her once in a while, just to get her attention? I would work hard for it not to be anything excessive or showy, Insha Allah.

    The main reason for getting to know her is she barely knows me as well and I'm not sure she even likes me as a friend let alone considers me to make a good spouse one day. How can I get to know her, Insha Allah even though I don't have the chance to meet with her parents? I will Insha Allah ask my mentors as well for more guidance on a personal level.

    Are there any duas I could make to Allah (SWT)? I made a dua before I started at the university to meet the girl of my dreams one day, someone at similar level of faith to me and is beautiful and sociable. This girl seems to be the one because she is very friendly, always positive, beautiful, religious and very dedicated to community service. Is it possible this is too good to be perfect? Could it be Satan's trick, or is this possibly the girl I've been praying for?

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    Asalamualaikum bro,

    I'd suggest you don't pull pranks on her, it might ruin her first impression of you. Besides, you don't know her well enough yet to know if she appreciates that kind of humour
    If I were you I would simply approach her and ask her for her wali's number. That would be a halal way of telling someone that you wanna get to know them.


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    If the sister is religious she won't want to talk to you or hang out with you even if it is as just friends....pulling pranks to get her attention will just make her think your a tool lol
    Chaska laga hai khoon-e-tamana ka is tarha
    Us khoon mein nahatay hai hum jaan bhooj kar
    khushiyon se rooth jate hai hum jaan bhooj kar
    Gham mein khushi manatey hai hum jaan bhooj kar

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kbilal89 View Post
    This is from the book, 'Love For Allah' by Shaykh Zulfiqar Ahmad Naqsbandi db.

    TRUE LOVE [’ISHQ HAQĪQĪ] AND
    METAPHORICAL LOVE [’ISHQ MAJĀZĪ]


    True love [’ishq haqīqī] refers to love for Allah, while metaphorical
    love [’ishq majāzī] refers to love for creation when it
    exists for the sake of fulfilling one’s base desires. In short, true
    love is love for Allah, Lord of the universe, and metaphorical
    love is love for creation. A more detailed explanation of these
    two types of love is given below.

    METAPHORICAL LOVE [’ISHQ MAJĀZĪ]
    The First Principle


    In metaphorical love, the physical and external beauty of a man
    or woman is known as husn. It is husn that generates passion in
    youth. There is no greater influence in the material world than
    husn; it causes even highly intelligent people to act irrationally.

    The Second Principle

    Once an image of physical beauty becomes imprinted in a person’s
    heart, that person is rendered helpless. Shaytan presents this
    image in such an attractive form that the person becomes
    absorbed with each glance.
    يزيدك وجهه حسنا إذا ما زدته نظرا
    The beauty of his face increases in your eyes, the more
    you behold it.


    The Third Principle

    When smitten by husn, a person dies a spiritual death. Although
    he has eyes that see clearly, he views the faults of his beloved with
    admiration.


    The Fourth Principle

    Husn is ephemeral like the foam on the crest of an ocean wave.
    As a result, love that is based on physical form cannot be maintained
    for long.
    The vicissitudes of life are wealth, beauty, and youth,
    We ourselves have seen this, and history, too, bears witness.
    Notwithstanding the ephemeral nature of husn, the lower self
    [nafs] is blinded by desire and fearlessly pursues its gratification
    regardless of the consequences.


    The Fifth Principle

    When unable to approach his beloved, a metaphorical lover
    [‘āshiq majāzī] contents himself with the sight of his beloved from
    afar. He consoles his heart thinking that seeing from afar suffices.


    The Sixth Principle


    If the ‘āshiq majāzī gains the opportunity to be close to his
    beloved, then his nafs desires physical contact. Thus, the one who
    True Love [’Ishq Haqīqī] and Metaphorical Love [’Ishq Majāzī] apparently claims to have true love reveals his deceit in this manner.


    The Seventh Principle

    When love degrades husn to fulfillment of lustful desires and selfishness,
    it loses its humanity. The truth is that no face is as
    attractive as it seems from a distance. No voice is as enchanting
    as it seems from afar. Is then the reality of physical attraction
    based on distance? If so, it would seem that it is better to keep a
    distance. Regardless, the metaphorical lover desires proximity to
    such an extent that he cannot be satisfied without physical consummation.
    Ask those who are drunk with lust and infatuation;
    even after consummation they remain unsatiated.
    My life is still hanging around the noose,
    I swear, my love, even by gaining you, my thirst is not quenched.

    The Eighth Principle

    Allah, the Lord of the worlds, has placed an instinctive mutual
    attraction between men and women. However, He has also
    placed some restrictions and conditions for their relationships. If
    they live within these limits, they will be rewarded. If they exceed
    these limits, they will be punished. When purification of the soul
    [tazkiyah al-nafs] is not achieved, a man’s mind is always preoccupied
    with thoughts of women. Similarly, women may be captivated
    by men. Even if the whole world praises the beauty of a
    certain woman, she herself can become infatuated with the physical
    beauty of one man. One of the greatest stories of love
    between a man and a woman is that of “Laila and Majnun.” Due
    to its fame, ’ishq laila [love for Laila] has become another term for
    ’ishq majāzī [metaphorical love] as Majnun’s love for Laila is symbolic
    of the love of worldly objects.


    Majnun’s real name was Qais. His story falls in the period of
    Hadrat Hasan g. Qais was deeply taken by Laila. He once met
    Hadrat Hasan g who said, “Qais, I have made peace with Amir
    Mu’awiyah g. I have handed the reigns of leadership to those
    suited for it.” Qais kept silent for a while. Hadrat Hasan g asked
    him, “What are you thinking about?” He replied, “I was thinking
    that the governorship actually suits Laila.” Upon hearing this
    Hadrat Hasan g stated, “You are crazy [Anta Majnun]!” and from
    then on he became known as “Majnun.”
    Once Majnun’s father told him, “Because of you I have had to
    face considerable disgrace. The tales of your infatuation have
    spread far and wide. Come, I will take you to the Sacred Ka’bah.
    There, you can sincerely repent for your sins.” When Majnun
    reached the Sacred Ka’bah, he clasped the shroud of the Ka’bah
    and supplicated:
    إلهي تبت من آل المعاصي
    و لكن حب ليلى لا أتوب
    O Allah, I repent of all my sins,
    But I repent not of my love of Laila.
    When his father heard him say this, he looked angrily at him.
    Then Majnun recited another couplet:
    رب لا تسبني حبها أبدا
    و يرحم الله عبدا قال آمينا
    O Lord, never remove my love for her,
    And have mercy upon that person who says amen for my
    supplication.
    Once a person saw Majnun kissing the feet of a dog. He asked
    Majnun, “Why are you doing that?” Majnun replied, “This dog
    has just come from the street on which Laila lives. That is why I
    True Love [’Ishq Haqīqī] and Metaphorical Love [’Ishq Majāzī] 63
    am kissing its feet.” What else can such an obsessed and insane
    person be called except for “Majnun” [crazy]!
    Majnun used to circle the street where Laila lived, reciting the
    following couplets:
    أطوف على جدار ديار ليلى
    أقبل ذا الجدار و ذا الجدارا
    و ما حب الديار شغفن قلبي
    و لكن حب من سكن الديارا
    I circle the walls of the house of Laila,
    Sometimes I kiss this wall, sometimes I kiss that one,
    It is not love for these walls that has infatuated my heart,
    But the love of who lives within them.
    Once, the mayor of the city thought that he should actually
    see with his own eyes the girl whom Majnun’s love had made
    famous. When Laila was brought before him, he was astounded
    to see that she was just an ordinary girl without any extraordinary
    features, figure, or complexion. He said to her, “You are no prettier
    than any other girl.” She retorted, “Keep quiet. You are not
    Majnun.”
    It is for this reason that the metaphorical lover claims that
    Laila should be beheld by the eyes of Majnun.
    But, if you were to marry and have a successful relationship that way and pious children, wouldn't that be considered true love? I've heard that it's best to go for a woman who has a similar level of faith as you so that you can help each other become more religious. Wouldn't that be considered true love since you are pushing each other for the sake of Allah (SWT)? Also, what is that thing that you write on the bottom of your posts?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Umrah View Post
    Asalamualaikum bro,

    I'd suggest you don't pull pranks on her, it might ruin her first impression of you. Besides, you don't know her well enough yet to know if she appreciates that kind of humour
    If I were you I would simply approach her and ask her for her wali's number. That would be a halal way of telling someone that you wanna get to know them.
    But wouldn't it be too early? I mean, we're only about to go into our second year of university and we both have dreams of becoming physicians Insha Allah. Wouldn't it be better to at least finish my undergraduate studies before asking for her wali's number? Also, how could I relay my feelings towards my parents? I feel like they could give me the best advice. I mentioned it once and they didn't say "no" but they said to focus on my studies for now because she won't like me if I don't do well in school, which makes sense.


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    But wouldn't it be too early? I mean, we're only about to go into our second year of university and we both have dreams of becoming physicians Insha Allah. Wouldn't it be better to at least finish my undergraduate studies before asking for her wali's number?

    Before that if someone approaches her wali?

    Also, how could I relay my feelings towards my parents? I feel like they could give me the best advice. I mentioned it once and they didn't say "no" but they said to focus on my studies for now because she won't like me if I don't do well in school, which makes sense.

    try to get married now. if you dont get married you might lose focus.
    Again make Dua to Allah, make isthikara and see.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Servant.of.Allah View Post
    But wouldn't it be too early? I mean, we're only about to go into our second year of university and we both have dreams of becoming physicians Insha Allah. Wouldn't it be better to at least finish my undergraduate studies before asking for her wali's number?

    Before that if someone approaches her wali?

    Also, how could I relay my feelings towards my parents? I feel like they could give me the best advice. I mentioned it once and they didn't say "no" but they said to focus on my studies for now because she won't like me if I don't do well in school, which makes sense.

    try to get married now. if you dont get married you might lose focus.
    Again make Dua to Allah, make isthikara and see.
    What kind of dua should I make? When should I make it? Shouldn't I first obtain permission from my parents?


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    Quote Originally Posted by fattaharif View Post
    What kind of dua should I make? When should I make it? Shouldn't I first obtain permission from my parents?
    See marriage is not just you marry a pious girl. A really pious girl will require something from you.
    If you want to marry a niqabi and want to be clean shaved, it might not help you.

    We need to live with the deficiencies, this is the thumb rule in the marriage.

    Make dua to Allah - if this is good for your deen, to guide towards it.
    Allah is available 24 * 7, you can ask him anytime
    Yes, please discuss with some other brothers too.

    I've crossed your age and know where you are standing right now. think 1000 times and decide, this is not a small thing.
    it will decide the major portion of your life


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    Quote Originally Posted by Servant.of.Allah View Post
    See marriage is not just you marry a pious girl. A really pious girl will require something from you.
    If you want to marry a niqabi and want to be clean shaved, it might not help you.

    We need to live with the deficiencies, this is the thumb rule in the marriage.

    Make dua to Allah - if this is good for your deen, to guide towards it.
    Allah is available 24 * 7, you can ask him anytime
    Yes, please discuss with some other brothers too.

    I've crossed your age and know where you are standing right now. think 1000 times and decide, this is not a small thing.
    it will decide the major portion of your life
    I accept the fact she and I aren't perfect in our deen. One major reason I like her is she seems to be at my level of faith, which I believe is good because it allows us to push each other to be better Muslims over time Insha Allah. I am willing to settle for deficiencies Insha Allah because no one is perfect. Other wise, there would be no need to be on Earth.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kbilal89 View Post
    Brother you cannot even look at her forget about having a relationship. Its HARAM.


    "Tell the believing men to lower their gaze and be modest. That is purer for them. Lo! Allah is aware of what they do." (Surah Noor :30)
    I'm talking about the relationship you share with a woman in marriage. Not relationship as in dating and courtship, Astughfir Allah.


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